Mark Ingram 18 for 97 (5.4 ypc) 1 TD (4 Viewers)

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meily said:
Your entitiled to your opinion but there was nothing out of touch about that comment...did I say he was holding back Ray Zellars? I know nobody can talk about the great Pierre Thomas on here just the younger more talented players behind him because to you PT Apologist it justifies his place on the team even though he is more productive on designed screen runs than actually rushing.....but only Ingram and Robinson can be called into question.
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PT has been my god, but he is too slow now :(
 
BoNcHiE said:
It's like you didn't even watch last game.
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I guess people are so used to seeing Ingram get ZERO yards after contact that when he has a game where a couple of times he drags a defender for whopping 1 or 2 yards you think he is running with power.

If I could I would make a comparison highlight reel of PT's tackle breaking/defender dragging runs vs Ingrams' tackle breaking/defender dragging runs and you would finally get the picture. There is really no comparison.
 
yaegger said:
I guess people are so used to seeing Ingram get ZERO yards after contact that when he has a game where a couple of times he drags a defender for whopping 1 or 2 yards you think he is running with power.

If I could I would make a comparison highlight reel of PT's tackle breaking/defender dragging runs vs Ingrams' tackle breaking/defender dragging runs and you would finally get the picture. There is really no comparison.
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Ingram runs with power. Period.

It's pure hyperbole to say he doesn't. If you think PT does so better, whatever, but Ingram runs with power. And he did on many runs this past Saturday.

From PFF:

Ingram has been the Saints best ball carrier, and his 79.4 Elusive Rating is the highest of any NFL halfback with 50 carries this season.
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What's an elusive rating?

Using the number of missed tackles runners force on all touches (rushing and receiving) and our Yards After Contact tallies, the Elusive Rating formula spits out a score that helps rank the league’s best at making things happen when it’s completely up to them.
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BoNcHiE said:
Ingram runs with power. Period.

It's pure hyperbole to say he doesn't. If you think PT does so better, whatever, but Ingram runs with power. And he did on many runs this past Saturday.

From PFF:



What's an elusive rating?
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Facts?! Don't present him with facts! His eyes are all the tools he needs! And his eyes tell him Ingram runs with no power!
 
SoggyBottomBoy said:
I'm quite comfy, just surprised that you feel the need to beleaguer the same point, it is out of character for you. And here you go again with the "man crush" comment assuming no one can be objective about PT. This is where you're wrong. Nothing to suck up, here. I'll spell out my opinion on the subject so that you'll have a clearer understanding.

Early in the season, none of the backs were effective, including PT. Ingram took a ton of abuse, some justified, some over-the-top. He was definitely the whipping boy for our pathetic rushing game, when it probably had more to do with the Oline. Ingram's short NFL history had a lot to do with that. The last few games, he's starting to change those opinions. Khiry simply didn't have a body of work and was way off the criticism radar. PT has a history of being reliable, getting an extra 2-3 yards after contact and good in pass protection, so I guess he got a hall pass from the masses. So I see your point, I just don't think it was the PT love fest that you think it was. I guess we just differ on the severity. That why I am surprised that you've felt the need to slip those shots in on every running back related post.

My current state of the running back situation is this.
- I'm still trying to figure out how much the Oline has improved and how it relates to the recent rushing success. The Seattle game should reveal a lot.
- Ingram - I've had issues with his running style, propensity to bounce outside too quickly and being impatient. He's never lacked desire and has always worked hard to succeed. I liked what I saw on Saturday and he looked like a different back. I think he's turned the corner and earned respect. I hope it's not an aberration.
- PT - I think he's still our most reliable back, but will acknowledge that Ingram and Khiry have closed the gap and maybe even surpassed PT in some aspects. The torch may be passing, but I don't think PT is done, by a long shot.
- Khiry - might be my favorite of the three. I'm most comfortable with giving him the ball to run between the tackles. I hope with experience he rounds out and shows the ability to pass protect and factor in the passing game. Too small of a sample size and maybe too early to judge fairly.

I can't speak for the rest of the board, but I hope this helps correct some of your assumptions about me, anyway.
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I didn't bother reading all that...no offense. Just know when I bring up something about how a player isn't being criticized the same way another player is, its not because I'm an apologist...its because the hypocrisy on this board sometimes is revolting and I just wish sometimes people could see the obvious bias they are secreting.
 
meily said:
I didn't bother reading all that...no offense. Just know when I bring up something about how a player isn't being criticized the same way another player is, its not because I'm an apologist...its because the hypocrisy on this board sometimes is revolting and I just wish sometimes people could see the obvious bias they are secreting.
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Well, I actually touched on those points. It's crazy cold up there, you have nothing better to do than read long posts, anyway. :ezbill:
 

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