Mike Florio bringing the proper perspective to our organization: “Saints are a solid long-term destination for a new coach“ (4 Viewers)

[DSnfla]

I've said for awhile now that I want the guy who looks at the mess the Saints situation currently is, but has the confidence (arrogance?) to believe "I HAVE THE TOOLS...I CAN FIX IT!" (cue the clip of Jeff Spicoli bragging on his old man's "ultimate set of tools")

Anyone who looks at our current situation and withdraws their name....lacks the intestinal fortitude to do what needs to be done here. I don't want them! Not NOW....not EVER! If you can't stand with me at my worst, you sure as hell don't deserve to stand with me at my best.

I'm underwhelmed with our remaining choices, but that doesn't mean they're not solid hires. They're all still standing, in play, and haven't withdrawn. I was underwhelmed with the CSP hire in 2006, but I'd say that turned out pretty damn well. I'm fine with being underwhelmed if it means we've found the next HC to invoke the 2nd golden era (I would argue the 3rd...Dome Patrol was the 1st, IMO) of Saints football. Fingers crossed!

And what if they look at us and think " It's not that much of a mess" They have some younger quality players and some vets. They had a MASSIVE amount of injuries , especially on offense last yr and when they were healthy we pretty dominant. They had bad coaching especially on the DL.

Yes they have some cap issues ,but they don't have any really big FAs to resign and they have a GM that will go out and get me who I want even with the cap issues. They have a QB on pretty much the same level that I had in Dallas. I can turn this around and I won't feel the owner breathing down my neck

 

[DSnfla]

You mean’ “look past the results,” right?

SMH another person that just doesn't understand the meaning behind that SMH

 

[DSnfla]

I think he's a partial problem. There are some really good things about Mick. He makes things happen that his coaching staff wants. Let's be honest with ourselves. We wouldn't be questioning him at all if Dennis Allen had worked out. But Mick supported him and made requests happen for him just like he did for Payton.

The cap we view as an issue. But in truth if you have a really good coach, its not much of an issue at all. Its when you have a bad, or even mediocre coach that it comes a problem. So I understand the philosophy even if I don't agree with it.

Where I'm hard in Mick, is I'm at a complete loss as to how he looked at Dennis Allen as a good idea for head coach. It just doesn't make any logical sense to me what so ever to be even remotely acceptable to even look his way as a head coach candidate. I'm completely dumb founded how anyone could think it was a good idea. There were so, so many signs slapping everyone in the face of what a horrible, terrible idea it was. Then to defend him the way he did in that presser to give him year 3, i was just in shock. Its so mind boggling to me that part of me wonders if he went into that presser saying to himself "Im gonna show support but this is his last chance". Because if he really, really did mean every word he said in that year 2 presser, then I'm utterly confused at how his logic works.

While we have had some disagreements before I agree with you here. I think that ML thought that what SP left would just carry over and that all DA had to do was keep the ship going. There were more underestimations than DA. Maybe the biggest one was Pete. Without SP, Pete was pretty awful. Not just playcalling but running the offense, he couldn't command the players and only had a weak DA to back him up

ML patience is a downfall AND an asset. Downfall is he should have been gone after yr 2. An asset is that it will be a major drawing point for a potential HC.
One thing that I now you will disagree with is that if we had been a healthy team this yr , I would bet $$ that we would have had 10 wins and probably win the NFCS and we would not be doing this HC search even though we all know DA would not lead us much past that

 

[DSnfla]

I agree that you want a GM supporting the coach but not to the detriment of the team; he has to keep an I in the long term objectively. If you make a mistake, don't double down on it. He's done that with Allen and draft picks.

SMH so between 2017 and 2020 we went 49-15 after winning the SB and being in contention for another one. Then pulling us out of a 3 yr slump to being the worst call in NFL history away from the SB
You want ML to say " No SP I'm not going to give you want you want and think it will get us to the SB because we have to trade a couple draft picks and push some cap down the road.

Because enabling the future HOF HC is just what got us ( and Covid ) to the point were were when SP left. Yes he may be guilty of enabling DA more than he should but that may very well be the trait that get us Moore

 

[DSnfla]

This is very much true but it also doesn't mean they won't get this coaching hire right.....impossible to know what is going on really, part of the problem is the roles really aren't clear in the Saints organization at least publicly....


FWIW, the one insider on this board, that seems to have a level of trust from the board owner supports the theory Loomis vs CSP theory as do I....it matters not right now, hopefully Moore is our next HC....

I respect that insider and he get's a lot correct but don't think he's infallible. Apparently the Kellen Moore thing isn't shakey

 

[DSnfla]

To the extent such a rift did exist, I wonder how much of it may have had to do with Payton tying to work the deal with Miami where he and Brady would have went there? That would have been a breach of his contract to talk to Miami without permission and may have lead to some issues between Payton and Loomis in the last couple years.

Still, I think if there was a rift that was that bad, Payton would have demanded a trade instead of retiring for a year. After all, he had to be traded anyway due to being under contract when he retired.

So, if there was a rift, I don't think that was a major reason for him retiring. I'll take Payton at his word that he was burned out and needed a break as the main reason. But, given his history of looking for other jobs and the number of times his mentor Bill Parcells moved, I think he was just looking for a new place to work because he felt he had stayed here too long and wanted to get a fresh start someplace else.

That and the fact that SP referred to ML more than once as his best friend at the presser

 

[DSnfla]

She also stepped in and fired SVG after 1 season when it became clear the Pels players had issue with his personality/coaching style. So, multiple examples of her being willing to step in when she feels she has to and that she is a player's owner and willing to do what it takes to keep the player's happy.

Can you show me proof that Mrs B. stepped in and fired SVG? Because all I read was it was more a mutual decision between Griffin and SVG and no mention of Mrs B. stepping in

 

[DSnfla]

If we hire Moore, then mid tier job like some say.

If he turns us down, then least desirable job this offseason.

We get the answer after the SB.

If Moore turned us down then we would have already pivoted to Kafka. AND if he turned us down McCarthy's camp would have known and he would not have taken himself out of the race. We don't have to wait till after the SB to know. Seems like you just want that to happen

 

[DSnfla]

And if the owner had to step up to make the easy decision to fire the head coach maybe it’s time for a new GM

So , other than getting a look @ Rizzi as a HC what did firing DA mid-season as opposed to end of season accomplish? Do not mistake this as an endorsement for DA

 

[dutar76]

It's not really an unattractive job. Most teams looking for coaches are coming off seasons at near the bottom of the standings. The cap situation is over-blown again this year as usual. Saints sign players to contracts that have automatic contract reworks built in. Every year we end the season millions over the cap and by the deadline, we're good. Now a case can be made for giving big contracts to aging and declining players. Another case can be made that lean to heavy on void years making dead cap a real problem. But being 60 million above the cap in February is part of the strategy. It only ever bit us when covid knocked the cap back to the 20th century. We have this same panic every end of season.

Gayle is not going to tell a coach what to do. Mickey doesn't seem to be too active in the clubhouse and also tends to get players for his coach. A HC coming here will undoubtedly start with a bad winning percentage, but it'll be his team to build and run. I can't imagine the guy not at least getting a 2 year grace period to turn things around. Show marked improvement, a clear vision, and have the team on an upward trajectory and you get a year 3. No coach in any situation could ask for more than 3 years to produce.

Roster isn't dregs. There's still some life in it, but it needs a lot of work. Any new coach is going to want to build his team. He can do that here without the front office meddling like we hear about in other organizations. There's only 32 of these jobs and obviously you can flat out stink your first go at it and still somehow potentially get another shot down the road. Yeah, this is a desirable job. Don't let the PR-driven exits, pull-outs, and not interested talk fool you. MM wanted this job. Kingsbury wanted this job, etc... Brady actually might not feel he's ready to be HC. I could understand feeling that way. He's still earning his name as a coordinator and it's very early in his career.

 

[webster]

So , other than getting a look @ Rizzi as a HC what did firing DA mid-season as opposed to end of season accomplish? Do not mistake this as an endorsement for DA

It showed the fan base that ownership was not going to sit idly and accept pitiful coaching.

 

[sfidc3]

It showed the fan base that ownership was not going to sit idly and accept pitiful coaching.

Exactly, I don't get this POV, the team had quit on DA, do folks not realize how ugly the rest of the season would have been had we kept a lame duck DA around?

I'll tell who did realize it.....the owner of the team.....

And there are still some here who think it was a team decision (ie: ML agreed).....LMAO....

 

[Elvis]

What’s so bad is the point of Mickey’s comment is lost on you. But it takes special people to cling on to one liners like they found the holy grail of indictments.

You mean like "sky screamers"?

 

[HoustonGold]

It's not really an unattractive job. Most teams looking for coaches are coming off seasons at near the bottom of the standings. The cap situation is over-blown again this year as usual. Saints sign players to contracts that have automatic contract reworks built in. Every year we end the season millions over the cap and by the deadline, we're good. Now a case can be made for giving big contracts to aging and declining players. Another case can be made that lean to heavy on void years making dead cap a real problem. But being 60 million above the cap in February is part of the strategy. It only ever bit us when covid knocked the cap back to the 20th century. We have this same panic every end of season.

Gayle is not going to tell a coach what to do. Mickey doesn't seem to be too active in the clubhouse and also tends to get players for his coach. A HC coming here will undoubtedly start with a bad winning percentage, but it'll be his team to build and run. I can't imagine the guy not at least getting a 2 year grace period to turn things around. Show marked improvement, a clear vision, and have the team on an upward trajectory and you get a year 3. No coach in any situation could ask for more than 3 years to produce.

Roster isn't dregs. There's still some life in it, but it needs a lot of work. Any new coach is going to want to build his team. He can do that here without the front office meddling like we hear about in other organizations. There's only 32 of these jobs and obviously you can flat out stink your first go at it and still somehow potentially get another shot down the road. Yeah, this is a desirable job. Don't let the PR-driven exits, pull-outs, and not interested talk fool you. MM wanted this job. Kingsbury wanted this job, etc... Brady actually might not feel he's ready to be HC. I could understand feeling that way. He's still earning his name as a coordinator and it's very early in his career.

Keep spending! What could go wrong?

 

[HoustonGold]

I respect that insider and he get's a lot correct but don't think he's infallible. Apparently the Kellen Moore thing isn't shakey

Unless Reid decides to hang it up.

ESPN broadcaster discusses retirement rumors about Chiefs' Andy Reid

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