Mike Florio bringing the proper perspective to our organization: “Saints are a solid long-term destination for a new coach“ (67 Viewers)

[Mr. Sparkle]

What makes you think this?

He's written into Tom Benson's succession plan. Along with Lauscha and Greg Bensel, he's part of a very tight inner circle around Gayle.

None of those 3 guys are going anywhere unless something extraordinary occurs.

 

[Elvis]

What makes you think this?

I think it's probably pretty true. Only Jerry Jones and Mike Brown who are owner/GM's having been in their jobs longer. Gayle and Lauscha aren't managing the day to day on the football like a lot of owners are. So there isn't much pressure coming from above him and I think there are at least 20 teams that would have fired their GMs after some of the stuff that's gone on over the last 5 years.

 

[St. Widge]

He's written into Tom Benson's succession plan. Along with Lauscha and Greg Bensel, he's part of a very tight inner circle around Gayle.

None of those 3 guys are going anywhere unless something extraordinary occurs.

He's written as the third option as executor of the estate. And I think you know that just means that he signs papers for the lawyers who are the ones actually making sure the will is executed. That lawyer is likely Phil Wittmann and Loomis is no more like an owner than Phil Wittmann.

Lauscha is the real power behind the throne and Tom taught Gayle to be ruthless in business. If Mickey starts costing them money, he's gone.

 

[St. Widge]

I think it's probably pretty true. Only Jerry Jones and Mike Brown who are owner/GM's having been in their jobs longer. Gayle and Lauscha aren't managing the day to day on the football like a lot of owners are. So there isn't much pressure coming from above him and I think there are at least 20 teams that would have fired their GMs after some of the stuff that's gone on over the last 5 years.

I'm sure Loomis job is pretty secure, but I don't think it has anything to do with the Tom's Will. He has a long history of the team being successful under his watch and Gayle and Lauscha aren't going to see two mediocre years and one bad year as a reason to fire Loomis the way fans do. And frankly, I think the vast majority of teams give a GM at least two failed HC hires before their job is in dangers. Especially when even that terrible hire only lead to one truly terrible year and that GM has 15 years of the team being a Championship contender on his resume.

Now, if he blows this hire, all bets are off and he could be let go or moved out of the GM role.

 

[Mr. Sparkle]

He's written as the third option as executor of the estate. And I think you know that just means that he signs papers for the lawyers who are the ones actually making sure the will is executed. That lawyer is likely Phil Wittmann and Loomis is no more like an owner than Phil Wittmann.

Lauscha is the real power behind the throne and Tom taught Gayle to be rootless in business. If Mickey starts costing them money, he's gone.

I think that severely downplays his position within the plan and the organization. Comparing him to Phil Wittmann is silly IMO.

Anyway, I am unaware of any other GMs that occupy a similar position within their respective teams and ownership groups.
It’s unique as far as I can tell.

 

[St. Geezy]

He's got more job security than any GM in the league. The only way he can lose his job is if he commits a crime or dies. Or maybe if he got drunk and started teeing off on Gayle on his radio show. Short of that, he's not going anywhere, no matter how bad the team performs. That is unique among the 32 teams (well, 31 when you factor in Dallas). He's more like an owner than a GM in that way.

So, for a prospective coach, it's not much different than going to work for Jerry Jones. In either case, you know the GM isn't going to take the hit if the team sucks.

I don’t think this is accurate.

I would say that he’s very tenured and has earned due tenure privileges most GMs don’t have, especially after overseeing the most successful era in the team’s history, but he’s certainly not immune to being relieved of his duties if things don’t change soon.

 

[Taker597]

Any job can be argued is good long term job objectively... Because everything beyond this year is theoretical.

San Francisco went through an intense down cycle in the 2000s... And no matter how good an organization may precieve itself.

It must hire the right people to coach and be able to scout at an elite level to acquire quality talent.

Organization can't just will itself on reputation to being a good product. Being 4 years from the playoffs and having some of franchise worst loses in the 21st century.

We aren't a good product and an unattractive landing spot for a coach today. It will change in 3 years, but so will the entire landscape of the NFL too.

 

[solarbear88]

I agree with Florio. Yes, you do not have that young 1st rounder at QB. Yes, you do have cap problems running at least till 2027.

BUT.

You are working for a GM who will give you every chance. The man stood by and refused to fire DA. He refused to blame DA for the losses and insisted that they were injury based.

Loomis gets a lot of slack but he did get DA the players he wanted, most notably Carr. He went into debt to do it.

DA's is partially responsible for the small pathetic interior DLine, the poor development of Baun (players should not be breaking down in the parking lot!), and Ireland is mostly responsible for our draft blunders. What 2 units on our team really sucked and failed to develop young players? O and D line. Look at who the coaches were the last few years. This was a lot on DA and his staff.

So yeah, as far as team talent goes and issues with CAP the Saints kind of suck. But when it comes to supporting you the Saints have been quite good.

Now, I am not sure about the community. The fan base seems downright hostile and scheptical of many of the players and others in the building.

 

[webster]

I liked Payton a great deal, but he made some boneheaded decisions at times. What I've said coaches should coach, scouts should scout and the GM should generally manage all of that. I've definitely never said that the coach should have free reign over trading away picks and getting the team buried financially.

Could you image Brees with Andy Reid or Belicheck coaching the team? No telling how many ring Brees would’ve had.

 

[Elvis]

I'm sure Loomis job is pretty secure, but I don't think it has anything to do with the Tom's Will. He has a long history of the team being successful under his watch and Gayle and Lauscha aren't going to see two mediocre years and one bad year as a reason to fire Loomis the way fans do. And frankly, I think the vast majority of teams give a GM at least two failed HC hires before their job is in dangers. Especially when even that terrible hire only lead to one truly terrible year and that GM has 15 years of the team being a Championship contender on his resume.

Now, if he blows this hire, all bets are off and he could be let go or moved out of the GM role.

Yeah, nothing to do with Tom's will. But I don't think he is particularly accountable to anyone at this point. He once was to Tom, but I don't think that dynamic really exists today. And I don't think even blowing this job would get him fired, but they may encourage him to retire if the time comes.

 

[Thunderchild]

Yeah, nothing to do with Tom's will. But I don't think he is particularly accountable to anyone at this point. He once was to Tom, but I don't think that dynamic really exists today. And I don't think even blowing this job would get him fired, but they may encourage him to retire if the time comes.

Loomis is accountable to Dennis Lauscha who is the President of both the Saints and the Pels. Lauscha is accountable only to Mrs. B. And Loomis has always been accountable to Lauscha. He and Loomis are both part of the Benson succession plan.

Dennis Lauscha

 

[Elvis]

Loomis is accountable to Dennis Lauscha who is the President of both the Saints and the Pels. Lauscha is accountable only to Mrs. B. And Loomis has always been accountable to Lauscha. He and Loomis are both part of the Benson succession plan.

Dennis Lauscha

Right, Lauscha. Who doesn’t have anything to do with the football side of the organization. He’s deals with the business side of the organization and all of Gayle’s other businesses. As long as the money comes in, Lauscha is not a problem for Loomis.

And people need to stop with the succession plan stuff. He’s was a backup executor of Tom’s will. He’s not a beneficiary or heir. He may not even be anything in Gayle’s will.

 

[Thunderchild]

Right, Lauscha. Who doesn’t have anything to do with the football side of the organization. He’s deals with the business side of the organization and all of Gayle’s other businesses. As long as the money comes in, Lauscha is not a problem for Loomis.

And people need to stop with the succession plan stuff. He’s was a backup executor of Tom’s will. He’s not a beneficiary or heir. He may not even be anything in Gayle’s will.

He is, however, one of the people designated to carry out the succession plan (Loomis, too). And he is still the person to whom Loomis is accountable. What I wrote was not an opinion, simply a statement of facts.

 

[Darkhorse985]

Kept telling yall that our team is not an “undesirable” HC opening. People are too quick to look at things surface level. You always have to look deeper.

You mean’ “look past the results,” right?

 

[Covington Saint]

You mean’ “look past the results,” right?

What’s so bad is the point of Mickey’s comment is lost on you. But it takes special people to cling on to one liners like they found the holy grail of indictments.