Mike Garafolo: Saints are set to make a decision on Derek Carr within the next few weeks; likely to have multiple suitors if released (11 Viewers)

[Ghost]

Okay, I see that option...



I don't know how you get rid of any of our overpaid older players if we go this route...

The Saints can’t really, or at least not easily. It can be done but there is not a lot of room to maneuver.

What Elvis pointed out (very well I might add) is that there are ways to do this but none without some pain involved.

It’s really a symptom of the cap management of the Saints: “cap doesn’t matter because it always goes up.”

Sure, it does go up almost every year but that doesn’t account for:
1. Bad drafting.
2. A down year in revenues/cap does in fact go down (not a common occurrence sure but it can happen.)
3. Bad FA signings

#3 is the biggest problem right now with Carr’s contract being one of the worst in the league. It’s not team friendly, there isn’t any easy off ramps, contains a fair amount of guaranteed money (especially relative to his play) and has a no-trade clause.

It’s stinks like day-old seafood left on the docks and it’s 100 in the shade. But it also can’t be changed.

 

[Elvis]

The Saints can’t really, or at least not easily. It can be done but there not a lot of room to maneuver.

What Elvis pointed out (very well I might add) is that there are ways to do this but none without some pain involved.

It’s really a symptom of the cap management of the Saints: “cap doesn’t matter because it always goes up.”

Sure, it does go up almost every year but that doesn’t account for:
1. Bad drafting.
2. A down year in revenues/cap does in fact go down (not a common occurrence sure but it can happen.)
3. Bad FA signings

#3 is the biggest problem right now with Carr’s contract being one of the worst in the league. It’s not team friendly, there isn’t any easy off rams, contains a fair amount of guaranteed money (especially relative to his play) and has a no-trade clause.

It’s stinks like day-old seafood left on the docks and it’s 100 in the shade. But it also can’t be changed.

To paraphrase what Mike Triplett said recently on the neworleans.football podcast, kicking the can was always going to be painful to get back out of it when the time came. He also did say we can kick that can forever, but the downside of doing that is that there is almost nothing we can do in free agency when we're digging out every year and have contracts we can't get rid of. Not a huge issue when when we were competing for the division and possibly a championship every year. But that was 5 years ago. We were dead last in the worst division in the NFC and have the 9th pick in the draft this year.

If there ever was going to be a year to pay it off, it's this year. We aren't good. Our best players are old. Expectations are lower than they've been in decades and we have a new young head coach that is ready to do the work. Nick and Mike both think it's the right time to do it, although Nick did add that if they were going to do half measures they might as well go all in instead because they tried half measures last year and we got what we got.

Like Ghost said, Carr's contract is the worst contract on the books and we can do something about it right now. Why wait another year and waste Kellen Moores first year to take the hit in the second year?

 

[StudioSaint]

I think that Moore sees the Saints as a team that can possibly beat a Super Bowl champion when healthy, because Philly only won by only 3 points when they played the Saints. So, I don't see the wholesale changes coming that people are expecting.

I think so too and I think Moore made it clear in the press conference today that he and the Saints have every intention of fielding the team that gives the best chance of competing and winning this year. They aren't going to intentionally field a weaker team this year than they could, just to possibly build a stronger team next year.

What Loomis and Moore understand is that there is no plan that's guaranteed to work out, not even getting higher draft choices and having extra cap space every year. You have to do what gives you the best chance to win every year in a way that gives you as much flexibility for the future as you can have while doing what you can to win right now.

I would not be surprised to see Carr starting next season, along with the same starting O-line. Though the backups will definitely be different.

I would be surprised if the starter next year is not Carr or another veteran that they sign.

 

[DSnfla]

And you STILL can't give Derek Carr criticism LOL. SMH.

I have been critical of DC in the past. for him missing reads and throwing bad picks. Especially in his 1st yr here. Go back and see for yourself.

AGAIN you still didn't answer my questions. Is it because you can't ???

 

[DSnfla]

Tell your friend just trying to predict starting caliber players the draft is a crap shoot so there’s no way to tell. However if your friend paid attention the last couple of years he’d know we have no WR on the roster currently who’s able to stay healthy so that should tell them it’s a position we absolutely need to get deeper at.

Well before this yr Olave only missed 3 games in 2 yrs. . The point is , just like predicting starting caliber players in the draft is a crap shoot. Predicting if they will have injury issues is even more of a crap shoot

 

[DSnfla]

The guy is a nut job, since about November this year he clowns almost 90% of my posts I think he’s got a crush on me and Derek Carr

Because most of what you post is just ridiculous and deserves to be called out on.

 

[CowtownSaint]

Because most of what you post is just ridiculous and deserves to be called out on.

Boo hoo how will I ever sleep tonight

 

[StudioSaint]

We aren't good. Our best players are old. Expectations are lower than they've been in decades and we have a new young head coach that is ready to do the work.

Moore, the new young head coach, made it very clear in his press conference that he thinks the team is good and has a good roster.

Nick and Mike both think it's the right time to do it...

Nick and Mike also believe that the team isn't good. Loomis and Moore don't agree with Nick and Mike either. I think people way overvalue the opinions of people who have not worked a single day for an NFL football team. Not a single day.

I think Moore and Loomis are going to make decisions based on what they think of the team and not what Underhill and Nick think. I trust the judgments of Loomis and Moore more than anyone who's never worked a single day for an NFL team.

Like Ghost said, Carr's contract is the worst contract on the books and we can do something about it right now.

That's an opinion and I haven't seen any indication from Moore or Loomis that the Saints have the same opinion.

Loomis understands the contract better than anyone here or Nick and Mike. Loomis always plans ahead with contracts and structures them in a way that he has a lot of options to adjust them that no one here or Nick and Underhills see coming. Every year the salary cap handwringlers on here and Nick and Underhill are surprised by some of the moves Loomis make, because they had no idea that it was an option or they never considered it.

Why wait another year and waste Kellen Moores first year to take the hit in the second year?

If they try to keep Carr, then it's because Kellen Moore and Loomis don't see it as wasting Moore's first year.

 

[Mr.Blonde]

I have been critical of DC in the past. for him missing reads and throwing bad picks. Especially in his 1st yr here. Go back and see for yourself.

AGAIN you still didn't answer my questions. Is it because you can't ???

No. It's because your questions were so asinine, I don't even remember them at this point. I think it was something like " what position on the offensive line did Derek Carr play, while simultaneously throwing perfect passes to his receivers in which they drop and make Carr look bad? Or something silly like that. Or was it what color shoes was Derek Carr wearing while playing fullback and runningback? Or no it was what position in the secondary did Derek Carr play or blah blah blah. So he played Right Guard, Defensive end, Linebacker, and Punter in whatever game you were asking about. I understand that you think Derek Carr is amazing, and it's always everyone else that was to blame for his poor record, and lack of playoff success.

 

[latechsaint26]

What's Carr's record as a starter as a Saint?

He’s 14-13 as a starter with the Saints. A couple of those losses he was hurt late and like Green Bay, when he went down he was up 17-0. Then you have games this year like Philly and ATL where Carr scored TD with less than a minute left and Defense blew it.

That’s a winning record even with the insane amount of injuries we’ve had a the bad OL.

 

[MikeyF]

#3 is the biggest problem right now with Carr’s contract being one of the worst in the league. It’s not team friendly, there isn’t any easy off ramps, contains a fair amount of guaranteed money (especially relative to his play) and has a no-trade clause.

Carr's contract isn't one of the worst in the NFL...
Watson, Cousins, Rogers, & Prescott are the worst...
It isn't friendly to us & he is overpaid by $10 million a year.
It would be nice if he would rework it so that he is in the $40 million a year range.

 

[Infoman]

Sorry, but I don't buy that the Saints are just going to cut Carr, and I don't see Carr giving up $$$ or waiving his no trade clause.... Something really off the wall would have to occur between now and the season for those things to happen IMO....

And look, I am ready for a new direction... and I'm ready to find a real franchise QB of the future.... I'd be totally okay with a guy like Spencer or a Rookie or a guy like Cooper Rush driving the tank this year to get us to that next potential franchise QB in the 26 or 27 draft....

I just think that the FO is going to think that they are already invested in Carr... Want to win now... and See him as the best chance to do that.... On top of that, they are going to give Moore a couple of mulligan years anyway to start... and give him ample time to un-screw this pooch.

In short, I think (barring something crazy) Carr is the starting QB for this team next year.

 

[Ghost]

Carr's contract isn't one of the worst in the NFL...
Watson, Cousins, Rogers, & Prescott are the worst...
It isn't friendly to us & he is overpaid by $10 million a year.
It would be nice if he would rework it so that he is in the $40 million a year range.

As nicely and as politely as I possibly can, it appears you are not reading what I’m posting. Read what I said again, his contract had a lot of problems.

I’ve stated repeatedly using the valuation tab (a variation on a splatter graph) on overthecap.com if one looks at it, the following shows:

1. Prescott
2. Foster
3. Carr

Again: https://overthecap.com/player/derek-carr/2975

Click valuation and then run through every QB that starts. Those three mentioned? That’s not the part of the graph a teams wants a starting QB to land. I.e high pay relative to their production or lack there of.

And lastly, I’m not sure of the point of the top graph showing Carr’s salary in 4th?

ETA: I’ve now re-read your post multiple times and can’t make out exactly what you’re saying because it’s contradictory. I can now read it several different ways.

 

[DavidM]

In short, I think (barring something crazy) Carr is the starting QB for this team next year.

I think they’ll explore all their options and this is still the most likely outcome.

There are two decisions to this; whether to hold on to Carr and whether to play him. Keeping him doesn’t necessarily lock Moore into a decision about who his starter will be. I could see Haener being the odd man out, the team taking a flyer on a young vet or later round rookie, and opening the position to competition. Moore doesn’t have to win in year one, but he also doesn’t have to waste time on players who he might decide aren’t future pieces, if there ends up being somebody else on the roster he wants to work with now.

 

[MikeyF]

As nicely and as politely as I possibly can, it appears you are not reading what I’m posting. Read what I said again, his contract had a lot of problems.

I’ve stated repeatedly using the valuation tab (a variation on a splatter graph) on overthecap.com if one looks at it, the following shows:

1. Prescott
2. Foster
3. Carr

Again: https://overthecap.com/player/derek-carr/2975

Click valuation and then run through every QB that starts. Those three mentioned? That’s not the part of the graph a teams wants a starting QB to land. I.e high pay relative to their production or lack there of.

And lastly, I’m not sure of the point of the top graph showing Carr’s salary in 4th?

ETA: I’ve now re-read your post multiple times and can’t make out exactly what you’re saying because it’s contradictory. I can now read it several different ways.

I read exactly what you said...
That is why I agree with you to a certain point & said it would be nice if he took a pay cut & I agree that it isn't friendly!

How can QB's that aren't on a team that you are still paying... be considered a better value?
Rogers, Cousins & probably Watson...
That is ridiculous...

The valuation tab is based on statistics... you can make them say anything that you want by moving the variables around...

It is make-believe math...