N/S PTO rules that "Redskins" is derogatory (not a case about the NFL team but likely precedent) (2 Viewers)

[SAINTIN NEBR]

even though they have been "allowed to operate" for how many years???

Why all of a sudden now they want to go after the owner/NFL , whoever..after all these years? Just sayin...

Do you even understand anything about what's happening here? So if the DMV refuses to allow somebody to get a drivers' license because they can't pass the drivers test, that qualifies as the government meddling in private lives?

Trademarks are an operation of civil law that protect a business's interests. There are standards to be eligible for a trademark. It's a government agency that hears those applications. If the business doesn't want the protection of a recognized trademark, it doesn't have to apply for it.

But if a business does apply for it and the agency determines that the application doesn't meet the eligibility standards, that's "meddling"? That's an "attack"?

Let's go back and take another civics class. Pay attention this time.

 

[crosswatt]

Why all of a sudden now they want to go after the owner/NFL , whoever..after all these years? Just sayin...

What do you mean all of a sudden? The movement to eliminate Native American mascots has been an agenda item for the largest and most moderate American Indian organization since its inception. There wasn't a legal pathway to challenge the name Redskins as an offensive term until the Civil Rights Act was past. Notice there has not been a new mascot or team name/emblem adopted since that law was passed. The narrative that the majority of Indians aren't offended, and they are just now starting to complain about it is just bot correct.

 

[crosswatt]

Why all of a sudden now they want to go after the owner/NFL , whoever..after all these years? Just sayin...

What do you mean all of a sudden? The movement to eliminate Native American mascots has been an agenda item for the largest and most moderate American Indian organization since its inception in the 1940's. There wasn't a legal pathway to challenge the name Redskins as an offensive term until the Civil Rights Act was passed. Notice there has not been a new mascot or team name/emblem adopted since that law was enacted. The narrative that the majority of Indians aren't offended, and they are just now starting to complain about it is just not correct.

 

[SAINTIN NEBR]

Ok I know its been an issue for a minority of people for some time now.. so I was wrong to say "all of a sudden" however.. I guess what I'm trying to say is A. Its an established name for a very long time now ( since 1932) B. It is a private entity C. I'm sick of political correctness. and I wish people would find more important issues to focus on.. such as fixing unemployment D. I would suggest that most people see it as an honorary name, not an offensive name.. E. What will be next? Somebody will be offended by "Saints" "Buccaneers" or "Patriots" or "Raiders" "Chiefs?"...heck why don't we just go ahead and cancel the whole NFL while we are at it? Just seems like there are more important battles to focus on... I know if I was the owner I would tell them who oppose to go buy their own franchise and leave mine alone if they don't like it..

 

[crosswatt]

Ok I know its been an issue for a minority of people for some time now.. so I was wrong to say "all of a sudden" however.. I guess what I'm trying to say is A. Its an established name for a very long time now ( since 1932) B. It is a private entity C. I'm sick of political correctness. and I wish people would find more important issues to focus on.. such as fixing unemployment D. I would suggest that most people see it as an honorary name, not an offensive name.. E. What will be next? Somebody will be offended by "Saints" "Buccaneers" or "Patriots" or "Raiders" "Chiefs?"...heck why don't we just go ahead and cancel the whole NFL while we are at it? Just seems like there are more important battles to focus on... I know if I was the owner I would tell them who oppose to go buy their own franchise and leave mine alone if they don't like it..

Honest question here, but why do you care? If there are truly bigger issues to fight, why would you let something this trivial bother you? So what if they decide to change every name in the NFL? Does this really hurt any of us? Would you stop watching football if the changed the Saints name, and why? I just don't understand the outrage at something that doesn't affect you in any way, shape or form.

Redskin is offensive to an entire race of people. Every representative organization for Native American people has spoken against it. But that one Annenberg poll showed different, so we are just going to go with that. Why do we as a majority get to choose what they can be offended at, and what they need to just get over?

I'm really asking some of you this. I've laid my cards on the table before, and will do so again. I want them to change the name to anger Redskins fans, because they annoy me. I can also see where the term Redskin is offensive and agree it is probably inappropriate to have as the team name, especially for the team representing our nation's capital. I do not see anything wrong with Braves or Chiefs or Warriors like I do with Redskin. So I would tend to support the one action but not any further. But I really wouldn't care if the other teams in question decided to change their names as well. It wouldn't make me stop following the Braves or anything.

So in short, I just don't get why do some of you care so much.

 

[SAINTIN NEBR]

I care because , like I said, this country has gotten so polarized that we must have to tip-toe around to other people's sensitivities because "God forbid we offend someone" Political correctness has gotten out of hand.. I think that if the "Native Americans" would've united and not fought among themselves, ( and had gunpowder) they would've stood a better chance of pushing back the European migration ( not likely though) west of the Appalachian Mountains in 1800's but through natural selection, they were not, therefore they must accept their demise. Spoils of war.. outside of that.. I think that my main beef is that I feel that there is too much Federal government interference in matters that are not in the realm of their mission. The bottom line is this , for me.. A. Its a private entity... the owner has rights... B. If the rest of the owners of the league tell Dan Snyder they wish for him to change the name of his team, then MAYBE, out of a courtesy to his constituents, he might agree.. beyond that, if you don't like it, then don't buy the product.

 

[SystemShock]

I care because , like I said, this country has gotten so polarized that we must have to tip-toe around to other people's sensitivities because "God forbid we offend someone" Political correctness has gotten out of hand.. I think that if the "Native Americans" would've united and not fought among themselves, ( and had gunpowder) they would've stood a better chance of pushing back the European migration ( not likely though) west of the Appalachian Mountains in 1800's but through natural selection, they were not, therefore they must accept their demise. Spoils of war.. outside of that.. I think that my main beef is that I feel that there is too much Federal government interference in matters that are not in the realm of their mission. The bottom line is this , for me.. A. Its a private entity... the owner has rights... B. If the rest of the owners of the league tell Dan Snyder they wish for him to change the name of his team, then MAYBE, out of a courtesy to his constituents, he might agree.. beyond that, if you don't like it, then don't buy the product.

Wow...uh... wow...

 

[SystemShock]

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Well, this thread derailed again just like the others... I don't know if there is a reason I should keep coming back, maybe just to watch the proverbial train wreck, but I will reiterate what I posted on the other threads:

I know Daniel Snyder grew up a fan of the Redskins, but I wonder what his feelings would be, if the Washington football team would have been called The Washington Kikes or the Washington Treblinkers. I can guarantee you he would not have grown a fan of the team. I can also guarantee you, the Washington Kikes or the Washington Treblinkers would be a historical name by now, and would have been for a long, long time.