Nick Underhill: Saints Might Not Move on from DA (6 Viewers)

[DerrickB]

honestly, it makes too much sense to fire Dennis Allen and hire Bellicheck. I think Bellicheck will get more out of Kubiak, and he'll put out a better defense then what Dennis Allen is doing. Plus it would generate buzz in the fanbase.

Man Belichick will get Josh McDaniel to run his offense. With our personnel, it might work.

 

[jahsoul357]

Man Belichick will get Josh McDaniel to run his offense. With our personnel, it might work.

History tells us that it won't with our presumed starter for next season...

But you actually beat me to the punch. If yall believe that Bill Belichick would take a job and not bring in the OC that he has had the most success with, I dunno...lol

 

[sfidc3]

I mean, the OL was good when they were healthy. Assuming Penning continues to improve and Fuaga settles down after a rough stretch, I think you might like a younger upgrade at LG or even an upgrade at RG, but mostly the OL needs better depth more than anything else. I'm not sure that counts as a re-tool.

I agree, this team has a decent core of talent, we need a youth upgrade at some positions but if we get the right coach and have a good 2025 draft then I don't think we are as far away as some do.....

 

[DSnfla]

Shanahan offense doesn't work unless you run the football well. So I assume if DA is fired and the Saints wants to retain the hottest offensive system currently in football, you have to retool that O.line as much as possible.

Shanny's system does not require studs at every position along the OL It's what the wide zone is based on. Williams is the only very good OL on the team. Look at Denver's teams when Papa Shanny and Papa Kubiak were running them, not great OL and they made just average RB's into stars.
The only thing I don't like about firing DA is we would probably lose KK. If we hire an O HC he's be his own OC. I think the 1st 2 games have shown KK can be a very good OC when most of his O players are healthy

 

[DSnfla]

I do overall agree that the kicking the can approach to the cap isn't as big of a deal as some make it out to be. It does mean that drafting well so you have good depth is a bit more important since you don't generally have the money to fill in with high level depth in free agency, but in the end it's just another way to do things. And one that does make sense when you are trying to keep a team together by using future cap dollars to pay present players.

But, I think it's also true that as your players get older and you do things like adding void years to the contracts of 30 plus year-old players, it limits your flexibility if you need to move on from those players before their contracts end. It hasn't been a huge issue so far, but it could end up being an issue with Hill, Cam, and Demario and if they wanted to move on from Carr it would be an issue. Hill is a great player and kind of a one of a kind piece of the offense but we are spending a lot of money for a guy that is always hurt and will be 35 next year. I mean he has around $12 million in dead money right now if you let him go or trade him.

Of course, I don't think they do want to move on from Carr or Hill at this point so that point is moot. But, if you bring in a new coach it is going to have to be one that is fine with Carr for a couple years.

Anyway, I do think it makes sense to move closer to a normal cap right now because this team isn't competing for championships and then when they are ready to make that run they will have better flexibility and more money to sign the players they need to keep to keep that run alive.

Yes, The drafting better part is KEY to kicking the can on the cap

 

[DSnfla]

Or you can look at the fact that we were 2-3 with Carr.........nothing about his tenure here makes you believe that he is going to go 7-2 or even 6-3 down the stretch. Thats absurd. Most likely we rotate wins and losses and go 4-5 or 5-4 by beating up on the bad teams while losing to the good teams.

I guess you missed the part last yr when we won 4 of the last 5. You say tenure like DC has been here for 5 yrs . It makes me SMH how so many people on here " yeah we've had a lot of injuries BUT" There is no BUT, our record is a DIRECT RESULT of being DECIMATED by INJURIES , and @ KEY positions. Would a better HC have gotten better results with the players that were not hurt? Probably, but there are probably only a few that would have . I mean C'mon Shanny is a very good to great HC but the 9ers are only @ 500 with all the injuries they have had

 

[DSnfla]

Yep that's my hope as well.

For you or any true Saints fan to think and hope for us to get blown out, you really should be called out on this. ESPECIALLY with 9 games to go in the season. It just disgusting

 

[DaveXA]

For you or any true Saints fan to think and hope for us to get blown out, you really should be called out on this. ESPECIALLY with 9 games to go in the season. It just disgusting

Agreed. I definitely can't do the tanking thing. There aren't many teams who have succeeded in trying to play their way into a top draft pick. Teams like the Browns sucked year after year with top 5 draft picks and they still suck. There's no guarantees. One of the things I loved about Payton was that he hated losing, and even in down years, they were always scrappy and competitive. The last 2 seasons, there have been too many games where the team has come out flay and uninspired. I can handle losing games. What I hate is a low effort game.

 

[lilvipa221]

I guess you missed the part last yr when we won 4 of the last 5. You say tenure like DC has been here for 5 yrs . It makes me SMH how so many people on here " yeah we've had a lot of injuries BUT" There is no BUT, our record is a DIRECT RESULT of being DECIMATED by INJURIES , and @ KEY positions. Would a better HC have gotten better results with the players that were not hurt? Probably, but there are probably only a few that would have . I mean C'mon Shanny is a very good to great HC but the 9ers are only @ 500 with all the injuries they have had

Um when we won 4 of 5 last year, who did we beat? Tommy Devito, Desmond Ridder, Bryce Young and Baker Mayfield. 2 of those teams fired their coaches they were so bad and the Giants won like 4 or 5 games. Sure the Bucs were an okay win but they were still average at best. My point still stands that DA doesn't beat good teams.

I love how everyone says ''Oh, look this great coach has a bad start to this season after going to 2 super bowls recently". Yeah Kyle Shanahan deserves the benefit of the doubt. DA doesnt because he hasn't proven anything besides being a top 5 worst coach of all time and being 18-24 with the Saints before you say his Raider stint doesn't count.

And also, the 9ers have just as many excuses as us and are 4-4.........so yeah alot different than 2-6.

 

[bayoumilitia]

Well I know that Nick has good sources. So if that’s true then that only confirms the apathy and complacency that has set in with the upper management. Mostly ML and DL.

It will never happen because ML is Gayle’s biggest advisor but she needs to get an outside consultant firm to confirm the obvious and decide for her if she doesn’t want to be the “horrible” owner that got rid of DA, ML, DL.

She hasn’t learned yet that it’s a business and nothing personal. Unfortunately part of the culture that SP help create was a family type relationship with coaching, management and ownership. That works fine when you’re winning, making the playoffs or legitimate contenders. But…….we aren’t and haven’t been for a while.

It’s just time for a reset, from top to bottom. Roster included. We need a coach that brings aggression, attitude, and that has more control of all the football operations. Sound familia?

Yes we are looking for the next SP but honestly we already had that guy on our staff in Dan Campbell and I think Sean saw it.

Just my opinion but I could care less if we find a young defensive coach like Dimeco Ryan (Houston) or if you feel like Klint is the next SP then fine but ultimately that trigger needs to be pulled by ML or the bigger move is Gayle resetting and removing stale upper management.

What exactly did ML do in his 15 years in Seattle before coming to the Sainin 2002 and allowed the catastrophe of Jim Haslett who was up into that point a good defensive coordinator just not a head coach. Sound familiar?

How much of the SP hire and bringing DB to New Orleans was ML or Tom Benson wanting to poach a young brilliant offensive coordinator from Jerry Jones and Dallas?????

So, once again. What significant contributions has ML done for the organization in the last 10-15 years? Make horrible contracts that are backloaded with dead money that Hartley has to figure out how to juggle them into the cap every year. Yes SP added to that but ultimately the GM signs off on those deals and Gayle along with us the fans pay for it.

So I’ll ask you. What exactly have we got for our money or has Gayle lately. Where’s the return on investment?

 

[DSnfla]

Um when we won 4 of 5 last year, who did we beat? Tommy Devito, Desmond Ridder, Bryce Young and Baker Mayfield. 2 of those teams fired their coaches they were so bad and the Giants won like 4 or 5 games. Sure the Bucs were an okay win but they were still average at best. My point still stands that DA doesn't beat good teams.

I love how everyone says ''Oh, look this great coach has a bad start to this season after going to 2 super bowls recently". Yeah Kyle Shanahan deserves the benefit of the doubt. DA doesnt because he hasn't proven anything besides being a top 5 worst coach of all time and being 18-24 with the Saints before you say his Raider stint doesn't count.

And also, the 9ers have just as many excuses as us and are 4-4.........so yeah alot different than 2-6.

LOL , So what?? It makes no difference who we beat, a win is a win and we play 2 of those same QB's again. You might also want to check the scores of those 4 out of 5 wins, we blew those teams out. Isn't that what a good team does?? Blow out a weaker opponent? And 1 of them was the division winner.
Shanny also has had the luxury of not missing his starting QB for 4 games , he also had most of his starting OL
You are also forgetting what we did in the 1st 2 games when we were healthy , but why let facts get in the way of a distorted narrative

 

[iamsaved]

For you or any true Saints fan to think and hope for us to get blown out, you really should be called out on this. ESPECIALLY with 9 games to go in the season. It just disgusting

There's no light at the end of the tunnel with this coaching staff to lead this team in any way, all i can hope for is DA and company to be let go and a high draft pick. The season is over how you don't see it?

 

[Hank]

I assume you are talking about Chase Young. There were a number of Guards in FA who signed for more money than Chase Young, twice as much in some cases. So for a Rusher who was the No.2 pick in the draft, $10m really was a bargain bin signing and showed what the rest of the league thought of him.

I feel like the Saints are one of those shows where guys hit a Junkyard for parts to build a vehicle from scratch.

eg
14 Mar 2024 — Signings. Guard Robert Hunt, 5-year, $100 million contract. Guard Damien Lewis, 4-year, $53 million contract.

Yep Young is going to ride that #2 draft pick all the way to the bank again and to another team in 2025--looks like tarzan, plays like Jane----Should trade tomorrow after lose to Panthers.

 

[Hank]

Shanahan offense doesn't work unless you run the football well. So I assume if DA is fired and the Saints wants to retain the hottest offensive system currently in football, you have to retool that O.line as much as possible.

Kubiak

 

[Hank]

Um when we won 4 of 5 last year, who did we beat? Tommy Devito, Desmond Ridder, Bryce Young and Baker Mayfield. 2 of those teams fired their coaches they were so bad and the Giants won like 4 or 5 games. Sure the Bucs were an okay win but they were still average at best. My point still stands that DA doesn't beat good teams.

I love how everyone says ''Oh, look this great coach has a bad start to this season after going to 2 super bowls recently". Yeah Kyle Shanahan deserves the benefit of the doubt. DA doesnt because he hasn't proven anything besides being a top 5 worst coach of all time and being 18-24 with the Saints before you say his Raider stint doesn't count.

And also, the 9ers have just as many excuses as us and are 4-4.........so yeah alot different than 2-6.

needs to be blown up--sorry for the dose of reality. Culture at this point and time is poor and trending downward --one of the oldest roster in the league