Pat Kirwan said he heard Carr didn’t want to do Saints contract restructure (56 Viewers)

[St. Widge]

Just because he’s open to be traded or cut doesn’t mean anything. I feel like at the end of the day, he’s going to play to the best of his abilities whether it’s here or somewhere else. I don’t think he’s a drama queen.

When camp roles around, if he’s still on the roster he’s going to be saying and doing all the right things again. Just my opinion. Could be very wrong about that, but Carr seems pretty professional.

I didn't say he wouldn't play to the best of his abilities. But that has nothing to do with whether he wants to be here or not. It seems really clear that at some point he wanted out. Maybe he will change his mind but whether he wants to be here or not, he's going to play as well as he can. I think he is a pro and, in addition, if he plays poorly it means the won't get another big contract next year.

 

[St. Widge]

WHO DOESN'T LIVE HERE???? 1st I grew up in MidCity on Banks st and just moved from the Bayou St. John area to Kenner. I am still a local musician and am out and about all over the area talking to all sorts of people. Beleive me more than 70% of the Saints fans I talk to either don't like DC for ridiculous reasons or they hate him for more ridiculous reasons. AND the Chiptole reference comes up way more than you think

Sorry. Based on your screen name, I assumed you lived in Florida. Regardless I don't see the levels of "hate" that are being claimed here outside of social media.

 

[St. Widge]

Do I need to go back and find the podcast that Nick said it was inexcusable that DC dive trying to get the 1st?

Yes. Because what I recall is him saying that you would prefer your QB not to take that kind of risk in that situation, but he I don't recall him saying the things you said.

 

[St. Widge]

So you’re unfamiliar that there’s a huge Carr hater base amongst the Saints fans? There’s only like 10% of the fans base that likes Carr right now. Ever hear the guy that calls in on “hold the mayos” podcast? He’s probably the worst. But every YT comment is negative. And don’t ignore the intent behind the jokes. Matt Mascona dropped “guy-liner” which you’ll say is a harmless joke, but we all know the intent is to appeal to the Carr hater masses for their clicks.

Define "hate". Because I don't think saying you want another QB for whatever reason counts as "hate".

Again, stay offline and off of social media.

And none of that amounts to wishing Carr evil. So, who wished Carr evil? And what did they say?

 

[St. Widge]

Right, exactly, becaue you know the players read everything. Wouldn’t you, if there were 10 pages talking about you? It’s human nature.

If I was a player, I wouldn't read any of the crap on social media.

 

[SigFreudianSlip]

WHO DOESN'T LIVE HERE???? 1st I grew up in MidCity on Banks st and just moved from the Bayou St. John area to Kenner. I am still a local musician and am out and about all over the area talking to all sorts of people. Beleive me more than 70% of the Saints fans I talk to either don't like DC for ridiculous reasons or they hate him for more ridiculous reasons. AND the Chiptole reference comes up way more than you think

Well that’s sad. Cool dealins on being a musician, my father is too, has his own studio and such….been a big part of our lives. I didn’t get any of that talent so I’m just a big lover and listener of music.

Sorry. Based on your screen name, I assumed you lived in Florida. Regardless I don't see the levels of "hate" that are being claimed here outside of social media.

I too thought he was in Florida lol.

 

[Rexman100]

Define "hate". Because I don't think saying you want another QB for whatever reason counts as "hate".

Again, stay offline and off of social media.

And none of that amounts to wishing Carr evil. So, who wished Carr evil? And what did they say?

You’re attempting to obfuscate by splitting hairs. For the record, I’m not even a social media guy. Saying stuff like, “I effing hate Carr” “Carr is trash” “Carr is garbage” doesn’t sound like, “like” speech to me

 

[Elvis]

Yes. Because what I recall is him saying that you would prefer your QB not to take that kind of risk in that situation, but he I don't recall him saying the things you said.

Not liking and hating are two different things. Simply wanting a different QB is definitely a different thing. Wanting to rid the team of his progressively more expensive contract is absolutely different than hate. But the gaslighters like to equate anything other than adoration as hate and I don't think they even know how ridiculous it makes them look.

 

[SigFreudianSlip]

So you’re unfamiliar that there’s a huge Carr hater base amongst the Saints fans? There’s only like 10% of the fans base that likes Carr right now. Ever hear the guy that calls in on “hold the mayos” podcast? He’s probably the worst. But every YT comment is negative. And don’t ignore the intent behind the jokes. Matt Mascona dropped “guy-liner” which you’ll say is a harmless joke, but we all know the intent is to appeal to the Carr hater masses for their clicks.

Not to me I know but….
I’ve never listened to hold the mayo but I believe ya. Sadly some folks just plain suck as human beings. Period.

As to the last they’re ALL in it for clicks. All of them. Not a single one of them does this just for fun, lol. I always get a kick out of reading that it’s click bait or just for clicks etc.

All of them are in the business for that.

 

[St. Widge]

You’re attempting to obfuscate by splitting hairs. For the record, I’m not even a social media guy. Saying stuff like, “I effing hate Carr” “Carr is trash” “Carr is garbage” doesn’t sound like, “like” speech to me

It also doesn't sound like wishing evil on Carr which is what you said the fans were doing. Now who wished evil on Carr?

There is a world of difference between not wanting Carr to be our QB, and even not liking Carr, and "hating" or "whishing evil" on Carr.

IT's not obfuscation or splitting hairs. Word have meanings now show me people wishing "eveil" on Carr.

 

[Rexman100]

It also doesn't sound like wishing evil on Carr which is what you said the fans were doing. Now who wished evil on Carr?

There is a world of difference between not wanting Carr to be our QB, and even not liking Carr, and "hating" or "whishing evil" on Carr.

IT's not obfuscation or splitting hairs. Word have meanings now show me people wishing "eveil" on Carr.

Go listen to hold the mayo, I’m not repeating that trash.

 

[DSnfla]

Now you're just making sheet up.

Making sheet up huh?? go to the 6:40 mark

 

[DSnfla]

Who has wished evil on Carr?

Some people, I think wrongly, say he's a bad QB. And some say they want to move on from Carr for one reason or another, but I have not heard a single person wish evil on Carr.

Don't you remember the 5-8 people that joined the sight saying they were Raiders fans and posted nothing but vitriol and personal attacks and just bashed him constantly? So much so that they ALL got banned. They sowed the seeds of dissent. People on here were saying " They are Raider fans they must know"

 

[DSnfla]

I posted it as I said because I’d run across it. It came up on my feed, just like that. I didn’t go looking for it.

Wouldn’t apologize tho if I had gone looking for it or watched the whole show as that’s my right to if I wanted to. His (Matt) style is a little too over the top for me most of the time, so I listen more to Ross Mike and Trip. Never heard of Skrmetta, I’ll check him out.

They’re all in it for clicks, it’s all a business. The sunshine pumpers appeal to some, the negative Nelly’s appeal to others, etc
Some we like more than others, simple as that. To me at least.

It's your right to do whatever you want bud. You do seem to post only negative things about DC since that has been your stance since we signed him. And Moscona is THE biggest leader on the Carr hate team along with the personal attacks, he's the guy that stated the " Guy -Liner " comment. And keeps calling him the " King of empty yds" . But hey, you do what you want

 

[CowtownSaint]

Why should he? You would only interpret it to be that he was just apeasing people or he was fake or some other derogatory remark.
Really I think you and a lot of other even if we won the SB with DC would find some way to minimize his contribution or play his role down in it

I highly doubt I would find anyway to minimize it. The problem is I’m a real facts kind of guy. You see I live my entire life, my merit, real merit, good and bad, I’ve had to live that way to survive and to compete in my profession. I recognize BS when I see it. Frankly the amount of BS excuses for Carr is nauseating. You refuse to agree with anyone and the other guy Rex talking like he hates saints fans and wants Carr to win a Super Bowl somewhere else.

The sheer fact that excuses and then the Super Bowl comment just shows the delusion of some folks on here.

Look I get it, and I know I’ve called you out and mods disciplined me, which, I don’t see why they don’t discipline you for being a disagreeable trouble maker to every single poster on here, but maybe the truth is that you get the breaks because deep down you just want to cheer on the saints to victory. The thing about that is I do too.

But I do get it with you now, it’s been such a fall off from Brees and Payton that a lot of folks, yourself included, have let your standards of success drop from elite to mediocre, and you keep telling yourself, well it’s better than being the worst. But the biggest lie in the world is that mediocrity is better than being bad. Mediocrity grows delusion and excuses, and it can be comforting because “it could be worse”

A lot of folks have fallen into that trap here since Payton left. The only problem with that is that for the money these guys make, excellence should be expected. There is times to make the odd excuse, but you make every excuse you can for Carr.

Carr is the worst thing this deal could have right now, he’s not the future, he’s not team or fan friendly, he’s never won a playoff game and has a career losing record. You continually make the claim that it’s not all on the QB. Your wrong. The QB is the single most important position in all of pro sports. How the QB goes so will the team, and right now we have a guy that wouldn’t even entertain a pay cut or anything to help the team bring players in. He clearly wasn’t happy with the McCoys and Olaves of the world but god forbid he does anything to help add to the roster like Cam or Honey badger.

Here’s the thing, I’m not going to call you anything like I did last time. I love this place and I love most members on here, but it’s been a year or you obsessively clowning me and disagreeing with me and I’m sick of it. It seems you do this with everyone, and although I’m sure you don’t even realize it, because your intentions are good, what you’re doing is brutal to read. I think I’ve seen you agree with one or two posters in the last 3 months. That. Is. Wild.

This team needs a new QB, this is real smoke to this and it’s not going to get better, if there wasn’t smoke here Carr would shut it down, and I would respect him immensely for it. But even deep down you know Carr is a me first guy, and you can make every excuse in the books but it boils down to how much money he can make, and how little we get out of it.

The last two seasons I think he beat maybe 1 team with a winning record, maybe 2. Been injured multiple times, thrown temper tantrums to players multiple times.

Stop defending a guy that is set for life and wouldn’t give two sheets if we make the playoffs or not, because guess what, he doesn’t! He will do his best to earn his money and be gone and that’s it.

Anyone even wanting to make playoffs this year, I question their knowledge of our depth, we need a reset and the best picks possible and cap space. This isn’t solvable in a year and Carr staying a year makes this a longer process and will give CKM less leash to really do it his way.

Anyways I’m done arguing with you ever again, that’s why this post is so long, I just can’t do it anymore.

All the best