Pat Kirwan said he heard Carr didn’t want to do Saints contract restructure (89 Viewers)

[DSnfla]

The reaction to Carr's effort and injury on that play is one of many things that make it hard for me to believe that a large and vocal group of fans aren't operating strictly from personal bias against Carr.

It wasn't just Saints fans, Underhill just blasted him for doing it. Almost said how dare he take the chance he'd get hurt trying to get a 1st down. Accusing him of trying to be Taysom

 

[Elvis]

Yea the same fan base absolutely loved CJGJ, the guy that’s been on as many teams as a prostitute has notches on her bed. Don’t pretend the fan base is moral. It’s a gladiator sport, good manners and good community works are not prerequisites

I still absolutely love CJGJ. That guy has a mouth, but he competes with fire and has accountability. He's all in on the team and the city he plays for and all out when he's gone. Something the subject of this thread lacks. And as much as I didn't like what Michael Thomas was about toward the end of his time here, I'm not sure he was wrong about anything he was saying, only how and where he was saying it. The team had taken on a loser mentality with DA and our two biggest competitors weren't having it.

 

[St. Widge]

All fans ( of individual players) are disloyal. Pretending like some are better than others is foolish.

So obviously you are disloyal too.

 

[DSnfla]

All fans ( of individual players) are disloyal. Pretending like some are better than others is foolish.

I had held out hope that we as Saints fans would be better than Eagles fans. I mean c'mon we don't burn our city when we win a SB. Surely we would not be petty and immature to judge someone by where they eat and if they don't ride in a Mardi Gras parade. But I guess I was wrong

 

[Rexman100]

So obviously you are disloyal too?

Yes I am. Give you an example, I was a LSU basketball fan at the beginning of the year.. after watching them get crushed by 3 sec teams in a row, I can’t watch em. I don’t like seeing them lose. And technically that’s a disloyal fan. But it’s especially true of individual players on a team. Like Carr, say he wins three straight games, people love him, then he loses the next 5 they start mentioning Chipotle. Chipotle didn’t bother them during his win streak…. Do I hate Saints fans.,, tbh, I’m a Saints fan, but these last couple years of following the hatred on Twitter, YT, and here, I’ve lost a lot of respect for a large %. My instinct is to take up for the person being pounded on, and since we signed DC4, it’s been a 24/7 job trying to counter the hatred.

 

[Deuuuuce]

I still absolutely love CJGJ. That guy has a mouth, but he competes with fire and has accountability. He's all in on the team and the city he plays for and all out when he's gone. Something the subject of this thread lacks. And as much as I didn't like what Michael Thomas was about toward the end of his time here, I'm not sure he was wrong about anything he was saying, only how and where he was saying it. The team had taken on a loser mentality with DA and our two biggest competitors weren't having it.

In MT’s case I think his ego was bruised when it became apparent he wasn’t going to be a big part of the Saints plans going forward. Call it ‘competitiveness’, but it seemed more like sour grapes to me. He wasn’t good anymore and he was way overpaid. The fact that he is still a free agent tells you all you need to know.

 

[DSnfla]

Just ran across this. No clue if his numbers are accurate.

LOL you posted a clip from a much longer show by the BIGGEST blow hard Carr and Loomis hater that panders to all the DC and ML haters because it get's him clicks . likes and subscriptions ???
How about you watch some of James Skrmetta's response to that big blowhard hack

 

[St. Widge]

I had held out hope that we as Saints fans would be better than Eagles fans. I mean c'mon we don't burn our city when we win a SB. Surely we would not be petty and immature to judge someone by where they eat and if they don't ride in a Mardi Gras parade. But I guess I was wrong

Nobody, except for possibly a very, very small fringe group is judging Carr because he ate at Chipotle or didn't ride in a Mardi Gras parade. All but .001 percent of fans treat the Chipotle thing as a joke and nobody has said anything about him not riding in a Mardi Gras parade. However, not being here for the Super Bowl and not being here for Mardi Gras certainly supports the idea that Carr does not want to be here.

But, you don't live here and all you know about the fanbase is social media and message boards so it's not surprising that you think those things are true. But, you have to keep in mind that you are only seeing a very small portion of the fanbase on social media or message boards.

 

[HouseCall]

I'm not sure what you're remembering. Is this really all just about the Chipotle thing?

It was sarcasm. I was being sarcastic. Sarcasm.

He caught at ton of crap for revealing that he quickly grabbed some Chipotle as his first meal in NO. Sure it became a running joke around here - but it didn’t some yo-yos in New Orleans the wrong way.

If we're talking about after he started taking snaps, from my recollection and from what I can find online the first time people started to actually boo him was after the issue with Olave in the Jacksonville game (which was week 7 in October). It got progressively worse from there, especially after the Falcons loss in week 12, but to say Saints fans never gave him a chance is disingenuous.

You have your recollection and I have mine. I was sitting in the stands when he started his first game as the Saints QB against Tennessee and was roundly booed. First game. Not week 7. He was never given a chance by a large portion of fans and to say that isn’t fact is what’s disingenuous.

Also, jersey sales aren’t an accurate reflection of a players support in a market - as player jerseys can and are bought by anyone in any market.

Also, season tickets have seen “sold out” since 2006 and ticket revenue always goes up when they raise prices every year.

 

[St. Widge]

It wasn't just Saints fans, Underhill just blasted him for doing it. Almost said how dare he take the chance he'd get hurt trying to get a 1st down. Accusing him of trying to be Taysom

Now you're just making sheet up.

 

[MG3n2K5]

Regarding the cap implications of cutting/trading Carr, the fact he was just paid close to $39M would suggest he’ll be here for this year. But he’s set to make $50M in salary next year, none of it guaranteed, with a $69M cap number, so if/when they cut him next year, even with his dead money it would/will create cap space.

If he’s a pre-June 1 cut in 2026 he’ll add $9M in cap space, even while carrying $59M in dead money (and then off the books in 2027). If he’s cut post-June 1, then he’d create the full $50M in cap space from his salary while carrying $19M in dead space in 2026 with the remaining $40M to hit in 2027, and then off the books in 2028 (this is probably what they’ll do).

As far as moving him this year, any moves before June 1 would mean his $59M in dead money would accelerate, and there’s no way to create that much space, so that obviously wouldn’t happen. But if they were to trade him after June 1 they would create about $1.2M in cap space in 2025, with $40M in dead money to hit in 2026, and off the books in 2027. I’d think that’s still highly unlikely, but may be what his agent is angling for (or what he was wanting to happen before his salary was converted).

Mostly correct except one small thing. If he is traded after June 1st it will be $59.670M in dead money counted against the cap in 2026 & he will entirely be off the books in 2027. The reason trading him is unlikely is because the only difference in doing it post June 1st or during the off-season is the $1.2M in 2025 cap space you mentioned, that's it.
The only scenarios is Rattler really shows something this off-season and/or the season goes really bad really fast & some playoff caliber team has a QB injury before the trade deadline.

 

[Deuuuuce]

Nobody, except for possibly a very, very small fringe group is judging Carr because he ate at Chipotle or didn't ride in a Mardi Gras parade. All but .001 percent of fans treat the Chipotle thing as a joke and nobody has said anything about him not riding in a Mardi Gras parade. However, not being here for the Super Bowl and not being here for Mardi Gras certainly supports the idea that Carr does not want to be here.

Completely hypothetical but what if it’s his wife and kids that really didn’t want to be in New Orleans? They probably have all their friends and family in Fresno. Why force the family to stay in NOLA to appease fans that don’t like you anyway? Him not staying for the super bowl and mardi gras is a huge nothingburger.

 

[St. Widge]

Yes I am. Give you an example, I was a LSU basketball fan at the beginning of the year.. after watching them get crushed by 3 sec teams in a row, I can’t watch em. I don’t like seeing them lose. And technically that’s a disloyal fan. But it’s especially true of individual players on a team. Like Carr, say he wins three straight games, people love him, then he loses the next 5 they start mentioning Chipotle. Chipotle didn’t bother them during his win streak…. Do I hate Saints fans.,, tbh, I’m a Saints fan, but these last couple years of following the hatred on Twitter, YT, and here, I’ve lost a lot of respect for a large %. My instinct is to take up for the person being pounded on, and since we signed DC4, it’s been a 24/7 job trying to counter the hatred.

But somehow despite you yourself being disloyal you are going to blast other fans for doing the same thing?

And for the 1000th time, the Chipotle thing is just people making a joke. Nobody but and incredibly small number of fans take that seriously.

In addition, as already described above, Carr received no "hate" until he did things on the field the trigger it. Wrongly yelling at Olave was the begining.

Finally, you are taking Twitter, YouTube, and message boards too seriously. It's not the real world and is a distorted partial reflection of the wider world and fanbase.

 

[Nolan]

It was sarcasm. I was being sarcastic. Sarcasm.

He caught at ton of crap for revealing that he quickly grabbed some Chipotle as his first meal in NO. Sure it became a running joke around here - but it didn’t some yo-yos in New Orleans the wrong way.


You have your recollection and I have mine. I was sitting in the stands when he started his first game as the Saints QB against Tennessee and was roundly booed. First game. Not week 7. He was never given a chance by a large portion of fans and to say that isn’t fact is what’s disingenuous.

Also, jersey sales aren’t an accurate reflection of a players support in a market - as player jerseys can and are bought by anyone in any market.

Also, season tickets have seen “sold out” since 2006 and ticket revenue always goes up when they raise prices every year.

Your recollection of that game is far different than mine. I was there. If you heard some fans boo'ing in your section, I'd believe you, but I didn't hear boos that game.

When the fans started uniting and domewide boos started to occur was that Jacksonville game.

 

[St. Widge]

Completely hypothetical but what if it’s his wife and kids that really didn’t want to be in New Orleans? They probably have all their friends and family in Fresno. Why force the family to stay in NOLA to appease fans that don’t like you anyway? Him not staying for the super bowl and mardi gras is a huge nothingburger.

Your hypothetical is exactly the point. His wife, kids, and Carr want to be in Fresno. That's why they wouldn't want to be here for the Super Bowl or Mardi Gras. And, frankly, there is nothing wrong with them preferring to be in Fresno or any place else.

I also didn't say he should appease the fans of try to appease the fans.