Speculation Pat Kirwan thinks Aaron Glenn will be next Saints head coach (1 Viewer)

[Saint Greg]

If he retired today, I think he gets in eventually because of the Katrina angle.
Another 26 wins makes him a lock.

Low key. I think it’s very likely he retires for good once he gets that 200 win mark.

35 more wins. I think he's only coaching because he knows he needs to get there and I agree he'll retire once he does. 3-5 years.

 

[DSnfla]

I'm pretty sure Sean Payton coached the Saints in 2021.

Sorry. You are right , I am mistaken

 

[Snakehead]

The new HC is the current HC.

I doubt we see any changes in offense. We'll just continue to build it and acquire pieces that fit KK's system. I highly doubt we draft a QB with Rattler and Haener on the roster behind QB1 Carr.

Defense is where their could be changes. I'm curious what Joe Woods wants to run should he be retained as DC, but we'd be better off keeping Woods and let him put his stamp on the dwfense which he's already started doing.

The biggest changes we'll probably see will be the addition of more talent and moving on without Cam and probably DD.

 

[DSnfla]

LOL. I don't ever believe anything Moscona says. He's just trolling for views. He's welcome to his opinion but it's no more valid than yours, mine, or anyone else on this board.

Regardless, of what Moscona thinks, an argument can be made for any of the jobs being good or bad depending on what a coach is looking for. Some might consider the Bears the top job because of Williams. But, Williams has been struggling recently so maybe a coach doesn't think he's going to be a great player and doesn't want to be stuck with him as the starting QB for 3 years. The Jets have Rodgers who has and will get a coach fired. Who wants to be stuck with him as your starting QB and who wants to have the constant heat of the NY media? And Jacksonville is pretty much so locked into Lawrence as their starting QB. He's the 4th highest paid QB in the NFL and he's basically only as good as Derek Carr, or maybe worse, who is the 18th highest paid QB in the NFL.

The advantage the Saints have is an organization who has shown it is willing to be patient, even too patient at times, a solid starting QB, a good organization with an owner willing to pay to build the team the coach wants, and a solid base roster that really should have won 8 or 10 games this year if not for a bad head coach and injuries. The only real downside to the Saints job is it's a small market (attractive to some) and our cap situation. But the cap can be clean in two years and this organization has shown for years that the cap doesn't stop them from giving a coach the players they want. And that's where being an organization with patience pays off.

So, they are all more or less close to each other depending on what you want. No available job, unless Andy Reid retires, is going to be a great situation. They will all have advantages and disadvantages. Which is better will really depend on the specific coach unless some unusually great job comes open which doesn't seem likely right now.

I agree with everything you said. THE most attractive part about the Saints job more than most others is the ownership and FO.
1, they know that GB and ML will give them everything they ask for to win.
2, they can pretty much be guaranteed at least 3+ yrs to build a winner. especially if we;re trying to get the cap in the middle.
3, we are far from the worst roster in the league
4, we don't have Jerry Jones , Tepper, Woody Johnson as owners
5, we have enough vets to be respectable right away and enough young guys to build with

 

[DSnfla]

The new HC is the current HC.

I doubt we see any changes in offense. We'll just continue to build it and acquire pieces that fit KK's system. I highly doubt we draft a QB with Rattler and Haener on the roster behind QB1 Carr.

Defense is where their could be changes. I'm curious what Joe Woods wants to run should he be retained as DC, but we'd be better off keeping Woods and let him put his stamp on the dwfense which he's already started doing.

The biggest changes we'll probably see will be the addition of more talent and moving on without Cam and probably DD.

For me , the best part about firing DA mid-season is we get to give Rizzi ( or any interim) and Woods a look-see for the last 8 games. That's a good amount to get a good feel for how they will do with the job
To me making Rizzi HC permanent would be contingent on him keeping at least KK. Woods we have to wait and see

 

[DSnfla]

This isn't about Matts opinion, he presented facts. Current roster, salary cap and ownership are the top three considerations followed by the smaller aspects like market, fan base, job location. The biggest IMO is the salary cap. You can own a Ferrari but if you do not have gasoline its not going anywhere. The salary cap is the gasoline. We're not completely inflexible but we are definitely handcuffed to a degree. What id say to defend your point to this argument is that we've been running our cap this way for years and that we're sort of the masters of living on the edge. We saw that we were indeed on the edge, when we lost Mccoy and the glass house shattered. Anyway, we're going to have to convince Ben Johnson that we can still manage a competitive roster in our current cap situation. He may say, spare me the word salad, im going to the team that has the most gasoline.

It is exactly blowhard Moscona's opinion. He trying to play like he's Ben Johnson and do a Howard Stern-type show. Sayin Williams stinks, Johnson would salivate with the chance to mold Williams.
1st and foremost in the mind of a top HC candidate is OWNERSHIP. and we would be # 1 in that category because GB will give him anything he wants to win. AND we have a patient owner AND GM
We can clean up our cap in 2 yrs , the next HC will have 3-4 yrs min to show progress
It was NOT just McCoy that was the downfall it was all the rest of the injuries that did it and especially to 1 position group .

The salary cap is NOT the gas that drives the sports car , the DRAFT is

 

[Rexman100]

It is exactly blowhard Moscona's opinion. He trying to play like he's Ben Johnson and do a Howard Stern-type show. Sayin Williams stinks, Johnson would salivate with the chance to mold Williams.
1st and foremost in the mind of a top HC candidate is OWNERSHIP. and we would be # 1 in that category because GB will give him anything he wants to win. AND we have a patient owner AND GM
We can clean up our cap in 2 yrs , the next HC will have 3-4 yrs min to show progress
It was NOT just McCoy that was the downfall it was all the rest of the injuries that did it and especially to 1 position group .

The salary cap is NOT the gas that drives the sports car , the DRAFT is

Saban said NIL destroys great teams because they lose their quality depth to other teams. Then they end up with holes. Sounds familiar? We were beyond bullet ridden. We were a corpse from games 5-10. Our salary cap being MAXED destroyed our backup situation.

 

[St. Geezy]

Saban said NIL destroys great teams because they lose their quality depth to other teams. Then they end up with holes. Sounds familiar? We were beyond bullet ridden. We were a corpse from games 5-10. Our salary cap being MAXED destroyed our backup situation.

I just don’t understand how people can continue to say this. Go look at past Saints teams. Go look at other teams.

Depth across the league is comprised mostly of veterans playing at or near the league minimal or at best on one year “prove it deals” similar to what we gave Chase Young and Willie Gay, along with recent draft picks.

Teams are not spending tons of cap space on backups. They keep their roster top heavy and take cost cutting measures at virtually all backup positions except maybe DL like we have.

Poor drafting is what has hurt us more than anything, along with abrupt retirements of guys like Ram and Hurst, and we also have “suspect” free agents we have signed such as Jamaal Williams that has made depth at that position seem more poor than it is.

Our depth woes are also overstated by many because of an odd unique situation where we had too much depth on the field at once at the same time, which would make every team suddenly feel like their depth is poor, much less a team like ours that doesn’t have enough competent drafted understudies behind starters. Hell, we even have guys that were signed specifically to be "better than veteran minimum" depth pieces that either are or were hurt themselves, further exasperating the issue at key positions.

The “Our depth is poor because of the cap” just seems silly to me; the budgeted cap room for depth is near the level it always has been except for maybe at QB; we have just drafted and/or signed too many of the wrong guys and/or have failed to develop them over too prolonged of a period of time.

Seriously…how much money do people really think other teams with traditional caps are spending on depth? This has become too much of a boogeyman crutch to lean on. I promise you that it isn't some number that is egregiously higher than ours. We have sucked at picking and developing/coaching players, period.

 

[Rexman100]

I just don’t understand how people can continue to say this. Go look at past Saints teams. Go look at other teams.

Depth across the league is comprised mostly of veterans playing at or near the league minimal or at best on one year “prove it deals” similar to what we gave Chase Young and Willie Gay, along with recent draft picks.

Teams are not spending tons of cap space on backups. They keep their roster top heavy and take cost cutting measures at virtually all backup positions except maybe DL like we have.

Poor drafting is what has hurt us more than anything, along with abrupt retirements of guys like Ram and Hurst, and we also have “suspect” free agents we have signed such as Jamaal Williams that has made depth at that position seem more poor than it is.

Our depth woes are also overstated by many because of an odd unique situation where we had too much depth on the field at once at the same time, which would make every team suddenly feel like their depth is poor, much less a team like ours that doesn’t have enough competent drafted understudies behind starters. Hell, we even have guys that were signed specifically to be "better than veteran minimum" depth pieces that either are or were hurt themselves, further exasperating the issue at key positions.

The “Our depth is poor because of the cap” just seems silly to me; the budgeted cap room for depth is near the level it always has been except for maybe at QB; we have just drafted and/or signed too many of the wrong guys and/or have failed to develop them over too prolonged of a period of time.

Seriously…how much money do people really think other teams with traditional caps are spending on depth? This has become too much of a boogeyman crutch to lean on. I promise you that it isn't some number that is egregiously higher than ours. We have sucked at picking and developing/coaching players, period.

We’re 70 million over next years cap and the year hasn’t even started yet. So we’re going to have to reinvest and extract 70M from our current roster which slightly better than average. From players that we’ve routinely extracted from for years. And because they are at the end of their careers, they are dried up. (Can’t squeeze blood out of a turnip) So we’ll have people on our team taking up roster spots and they won’t contribute. (Ram and Cam) We all agreed on our cap management style so I’m not upset. But even this style has an end point. And we’ve reached it.

 

[sammymvpknight]

I want change. Tear the who thing down and pretend that you’re an expansion team

 

[St. Geezy]

We’re 70 million over next years cap and the year hasn’t even started yet. So we’re going to have to reinvest and extract 70M from our current roster which slightly better than average. From players that we’ve routinely extracted from for years. And because they are at the end of their careers, they are dried up. (Can’t squeeze blood out of a turnip) So we’ll have people on our team taking up roster spots and they won’t contribute. (Ram and Cam) We all agreed on our cap management style so I’m not upset. But even this style has an end point. And we’ve reached it.

We have been hearing that this is the end point for many years now. At some point people will realize that the future is infinite. It doesn’t matter, at least not to the degree people make it out to be.

A Derek Carr restructure, and a Cam and RR retirement with a June 1 designation puts us at the cap number…it’s that simple. We can create more than $100 million in cap space this off-season if we so choose. Stop freaking out about what a single upcoming accounting year looks like and focus on what the next several years looks like.

Now if you were to tell me we are projected to be $70 million-plus over the cap for the next five seasons, then at that point it would be time to freak out.

The cap is not a one year prism. It is a multi-year accounting project in which new years are constantly being added to the back end of it and can not only be extracted from, but you are allowed to be way over the cap in those future years, always.

It’s an endless loop with endless ways to extract from those future years whenever you need to. You do have to be responsible with it and plan with great foresight, and your team won’t get some sort of unheard of advantage from it…my point is you can accomplish the same things with how we do it that other teams do, and other teams are just as restricted as we are from making certain moves, just with different window dressing and optics because they are more focused on keeping their single year cap outlook healthy where as we are looking to keep our five year outlook healthy and easy to manipulate.

 

[latechsaint26]

Lions have the 20th ranked defense. Why would we bring in their DC? Might as well bring in Spags again..

So you would make the hire based on his defensive rankings this season and not the several years he spent in your building as a coach and player or that Parcells snd Payton have basically been grooming him for a decade to be a HC? Or that Dan Campbell immediately knew who to hire when he got the job?

 

[latechsaint26]

We have been hearing that this is the end point for many years now. At some point people will realize that the future is infinite. It doesn’t matter, at least not to the degree people make it out to be.

A Derek Carr restructure, and a Cam and RR retirement with a June 1 designation puts us at the cap number…it’s that simple. We can create more than $100 million in cap space this off-season if we so choose. Stop freaking out about what a single upcoming accounting year looks like and focus on what the next several years looks like.

Now if you were to tell me we are projected to be $70 million-plus over the cap for the next five seasons, then at that point it would be time to freak out.

The cap is not a one year prism. It is a multi-year accounting project in which new years are constantly being added to the back end of it and can not only be extracted from, but you are allowed to be way over the cap in those future years, always.

It’s an endless loop with endless ways to extract from those future years whenever you need to. You do have to be responsible with it and plan with great foresight, and your team won’t get some sort of unheard of advantage from it…my point is you can accomplish the same things with how we do it that other teams do, and other teams are just as restricted as we are from making certain moves, just with different window dressing and optics because they are more focused on keeping their single year cap outlook healthy where as we are looking to keep our five year outlook healthy and easy to manipulate.

With how many times it’s been explained on here, I don’t understand why so many people think it’s an issue.

It’s actually an advantage. One of the reasons our roster is older than others is we could afford more 2nd contracts.

That cap space means we get to use more money in each season than teams who don’t have an owner willing to float the cash in bonuses up front.

If you don’t get this by now. You aren’t paying attention. Or haven’t opened up your mind enough to accept there’s multiple ways to do something

 

[St. Geezy]

With how many times it’s been explained on here, I don’t understand why so many people think it’s an issue.

It’s actually an advantage. One of the reasons our roster is older than others is we could afford more 2nd contracts.

That cap space means we get to use more money in each season than teams who don’t have an owner willing to float the cash in bonuses up front.

If you don’t get this by now. You aren’t paying attention. Or haven’t opened up your mind enough to accept there’s multiple ways to do something

Most used to understand it, but now that we are a losing team, it’s easy to point the finger at the low hanging fruit that looks different from everyone else’s as the sole reason while all but ignoring the much more obvious black and white football factors that make a team not good.

 

[Judge_Smails]

With how many times it’s been explained on here, I don’t understand why so many people think it’s an issue.

It’s actually an advantage. One of the reasons our roster is older than others is we could afford more 2nd contracts.

That cap space means we get to use more money in each season than teams who don’t have an owner willing to float the cash in bonuses up front.

If you don’t get this by now. You aren’t paying attention. Or haven’t opened up your mind enough to accept there’s multiple ways to do something

When your team is a perennial playoff contender and in something resembling a championship window, nobody cares (or very few care).

When you are a half decade away from your last playoff appearance and further away from your last realistic championship window and are still adding void years to contracts for people on the roster during that last window - it’s silly to act surprised that more of the fanbase is pushing back against the strategy.