Paul Reubens has died (3 Viewers)

[Mr. Blue Sky]

Saw this pop up and thought he died again ..

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

I'm talking about how if publicly-elected officials behave in a weird, suspicious way, there going to be held accountable by most of their constituents,

I suppose a huge retraction is forthcoming

 

[Saintman2884]

I suppose a huge retraction is forthcoming

Isn't that a conversation more for MAP or are you trying to put me on the spot? You know political conversations regarding "Agent Orange" really aren't allowed on SR and if they were, he's more a rare special case (albeit not in a positive manner) or some one who's a billionaire, very charismatic, has a psuedo cult of personality behind him plus the previous admininistration (particularly its AG) wasn't as aggressive or dutiful in trying to hold him accountable for his actions by waiting too long and consequently, he out-manuevered and waited them out plus he was able to convince many Americans he was being unfairly targeted that gradually altered public perception of him and his first term.


Most people as well as surprisingly, 80-85% of most celebrities aren't "special cases" like these, Guido where the rules, norms and conventions of our society and justice system make it expotentially harder to convict. NOW, with good lawyers, favorable PR campaigns or fellow celebrities attesting to their supposed character, most celebrities or first-tier politicians might be able to skirt most major crimes their accused of unless overwhelmingly damning evidence with no outliers, potential "grey obstacle areas" surface where it isn't 100% clear. Or some simply just play the long legal obstacle game where they assume a "siege mentality", and try to wear down or expose the prosecution's tactics in a innumerable number of ways like Bill Cosby did or what Johnny Cochran masterfully did in a legal tour de force in O.J. Simpsons criminal double-murder trial by exposing the LAPD's long, notorious history of systemic racism, racial profiling and that one of the case's lead detectives collected Nazi memorabilia and had made numerous racist, bigoted comments over his career. Even in the same process he was exposing and meticulously detailing LAPD'S long and well-known history of corruption, oppressive racist methods and procedures, this defense strategy was probably going to let a man he instinctively knew was guilty of murdering two people was going to get off.

With Paul Reubens, it was the fact that he was the longtime host of a popular CBS Saturday morning kids T.V. show when this bust happened at a adult theater and that sort of negative publicity at the time and coverage led to a backlash that temporarily derailed his career and he were had to transition into being a damn good TV and movie character actor. Was it overblown? Possibly but considering the stricter, tighter moral/ethical norms prevalent in early 90's America I'm not surprised it happened, either.

 

[Dago]

Saw this pop up and thought he died again ..

Was the use of "pop up" an intentional double entendre?

 

[Saintman2884]

I suppose a huge retraction is forthcoming

Well, there is Matt Gaetz, Rudy Giuliani to a certain extent, Bob Menendez in New Jersey but they aren't necessarily special, unique cases where the norms and methods related to our legal justice system's ability to arraign, adjudicate and convict are made expotentially harder, more difficult and the stakes are even more perilous.

 

[0rion]

I never found him funny. Ranks in there with the Gilbert Godfrey comedy....just not funny to me.

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

Isn't that a conversation more for MAP or are you trying to put me on the spot? You know political conversations regarding "Agent Orange" really aren't allowed on SR and if they were, he's more a rare special case (albeit not in a positive manner) or some one who's a billionaire, very charismatic, has a psuedo cult of personality behind him plus the previous admininistration (particularly its AG) wasn't as aggressive or dutiful in trying to hold him accountable for his actions by waiting too long and consequently, he out-manuevered and waited them out plus he was able to convince many Americans he was being unfairly targeted that gradually altered public perception of him and his first term.


Most people as well as surprisingly, 80-85% of most celebrities aren't "special cases" like these, Guido where the rules, norms and conventions of our society and justice system make it expotentially harder to convict. NOW, with good lawyers, favorable PR campaigns or fellow celebrities attesting to their supposed character, most celebrities or first-tier politicians might be able to skirt most major crimes their accused of unless overwhelmingly damning evidence with no outliers, potential "grey obstacle areas" surface where it isn't 100% clear. Or some simply just play the long legal obstacle game where they assume a "siege mentality", and try to wear down or expose the prosecution's tactics in a innumerable number of ways like Bill Cosby did or what Johnny Cochran masterfully did in a legal tour de force in O.J. Simpsons criminal double-murder trial by exposing the LAPD's long, notorious history of systemic racism, racial profiling and that one of the case's lead detectives collected Nazi memorabilia and had made numerous racist, bigoted comments over his career. Even in the same process he was exposing and meticulously detailing LAPD'S long and well-known history of corruption, oppressive racist methods and procedures, this defense strategy was probably going to let a man he instinctively knew was guilty of murdering two people was going to get off.

With Paul Reubens, it was the fact that he was the longtime host of a popular CBS Saturday morning kids T.V. show when this bust happened at a adult theater and that sort of negative publicity at the time and coverage led to a backlash that temporarily derailed his career and he were had to transition into being a damn good TV and movie character actor. Was it overblown? Possibly but considering the stricter, tighter moral/ethical norms prevalent in early 90's America I'm not surprised it happened, either.

huger ...and more retractiony

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

I never found him funny. Ranks in there with the Gilbert Godfrey comedy....just not funny to me.

he's no Carrottop - i'll give you that

 

[UpHere]

I never found him funny. Ranks in there with the Gilbert Godfrey comedy....just not funny to me.

i never found him very funny either, but i found him interesting and entertaining, which is more important - i'll watch this doc for sure

 

[El Caliente]

This thread reminds me that I need to watch Mystery Men with my kids now that they are all 2 years older.

 

[Saintman2884]

huger ...and more retractiony

Guido, it's the thought or attempt to explain difficult, complex and annoying things that matters the most, even if you disagree wholeheartedly or partly or we have wildly disparate views on issues that are very divisive, and problematic.

You're still a very good person, Guido and I'll always view you as a friend. Over the years in many different, at-times contensious threads you and quite a few other SR posters like Terps, Widge, Elf were patient, cautious with me and did a superb job in understanding the complex nuances behind multi-layered problems and view them more broadly.

 

[zeetes]

Guido, it's the thought or attempt to explain difficult, complex and annoying things that matters the most, even if you disagree wholeheartedly or partly or we have wildly disparate views on issues that are very divisive, and problematic.

You're still a very good person, Guido and I'll always view you as a friend. Over the years in many different, at-times contensious threads you and quite a few other SR posters like Terps, Widge, Elf were patient, cautious with me and did a superb job in understanding the complex nuances behind multi-layered problems and view them more broadly.

gmr as a friend? brah, you should probably go lay down. you may be having a fever dream.

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

gmr as a friend? brah, you should probably go lay down. you may be having a fever dream.

 

[Dago]

This thread reminds me that I need to watch Mystery Men with my kids now that they are all 2 years older.

 

[El Caliente]

fork it, here’s the Spleen’s “origin story”.