Paul Reubens has died (2 Viewers)

[Saintman2884]

what are you even talking about, willis? I don't care.



RIP PeeWee.

I'm talking about how if publicly-elected officials behave in a weird, suspicious way, there going to be held accountable by most of their constituents, whether you personally don't care or arent offended by their actions in the slightest? I gave you a list of politicians that committed acts worse then what Ruebens did and had to resign or lost a lot of respect they'd worked so hard to attain?

Pee-Wee was able to ride out the storm and reinvent himself as an actor and performer, quite a few others werent so lucky. He's a survivor in the final and ultimate sense and a bit of a chameleon as an actor, so yes, he should be praised for that.

 

[Saintman2884]

I suggest you learn about Tinder, Grinder, Bumble, Hinge, Eharmony, Match.com, Adult Friend Finder, Christian Mingle....

I'm aware the Internet changed things and no, I don't need a lecture about who or what E-Harmony, Match.com, Tinder, Grinder personal dating or relationships websites do for would-be couples now, that still doesn't mean adult film theaters are an option I would've chosen if I were looking for a girlfriend 35 years ago if I was in my early 40's or younger back then.

 

[Optimus Prime]

clever

 

[Optimus Prime]

HBO doc coming soon
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"I was born in 1938 in a little house on the edge of the Mississippi River. My father worked on a steamboat," Paul Reubens tells Matt Wolf, director of the new two-part HBO documentary series, Pee-Wee as Himself.

He, of course, was not. Reubens was born in Peekskill, New York, in 1952. His father was … well, his father was a lot of things, including a founder of the Israeli Air Force, but he definitely didn't work on the steamboat.

Reubens' joke - one of the first things he says in the documentary - points to two important things that are central to Pee-Wee as Himself, an entertaining, enlightening and enjoyably confounding portrait of an enjoyably confounding artist.

First, Reubens, who died in 2023, had been constructing his own identity for decades. He spent so many years making talk show appearances and personal cameos as beloved alter ego Pee-Wee Herman that it became impossible to know who the man behind the squeaky-voiced, suit-wearing man-child was.

One of the many pleasures of Pee-Wee as Himself is getting a sense of Reubens as a separate personality, even as the possibility never quite leaves your mind that "Paul Reubens," as featured in Pee-Wee as Himself, could be every bit as fabricated as Pee-Wee Herman.

That gives Wolf the impossible task of opening one Reubens/Pee-Wee nesting doll after another looking for the Root Reubens, Pee-Wee Prime. (The process of studying and interpreting Paul Reubens could be know as "Hermaneutics," a not-quite-joke that will amuse exactly seven people.)

But second, Reubens filmed 40 hours of interviews with Wolf, and the impression conveyed by Pee-Wee as Himself is one of constant push and pull. Reubens initially wanted to make his own documentary about himself, only to be talked out of it by Wolf and friends and loved ones, and it's a decision he still hadn't made peace with at the time of filming.

"You're not supposed to control your own documentary," admits Reubens, who passed away in 2023. "You don't have perspective, really, on yourself."

Fitting words from a man whose most famous catchphrase ended with, "But what am I?"

As featured in the documentary, Reubens is constantly breaking character (with the character being "Paul Reubens," replaced by … "Paul Reubens?"), accusing Wolf of trying to steer him, of trying to build their back-and-forths toward predetermined destinations. The confrontations are almost always good-humored, perhaps another character being played.

Either way, the doc gives a version of Reubens I've never seen before, offers insights into his career that range from hilarious to heartbreaking, and will absolutely make Pee-Wee as Himself a must-watch for the multiple generations raised on and warped by all things Pee-Wee...........

‘Pee-wee as Himself’ Review: Paul Reubens Explores Pee-wee Herman, and His Own Identity, in Revealing HBO Doc

Culled from 40 hours of interviews and thousands of hours of archival footage, Matt Wolf's doc gives Paul Reubens his own posthumous spotlight.

www.hollywoodreporter.com

 

[Mr. Blue Sky]

Saw this pop up and thought he died again ..

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

I'm talking about how if publicly-elected officials behave in a weird, suspicious way, there going to be held accountable by most of their constituents,

I suppose a huge retraction is forthcoming

 

[Saintman2884]

I suppose a huge retraction is forthcoming

Isn't that a conversation more for MAP or are you trying to put me on the spot? You know political conversations regarding "Agent Orange" really aren't allowed on SR and if they were, he's more a rare special case (albeit not in a positive manner) or some one who's a billionaire, very charismatic, has a psuedo cult of personality behind him plus the previous admininistration (particularly its AG) wasn't as aggressive or dutiful in trying to hold him accountable for his actions by waiting too long and consequently, he out-manuevered and waited them out plus he was able to convince many Americans he was being unfairly targeted that gradually altered public perception of him and his first term.


Most people as well as surprisingly, 80-85% of most celebrities aren't "special cases" like these, Guido where the rules, norms and conventions of our society and justice system make it expotentially harder to convict. NOW, with good lawyers, favorable PR campaigns or fellow celebrities attesting to their supposed character, most celebrities or first-tier politicians might be able to skirt most major crimes their accused of unless overwhelmingly damning evidence with no outliers, potential "grey obstacle areas" surface where it isn't 100% clear. Or some simply just play the long legal obstacle game where they assume a "siege mentality", and try to wear down or expose the prosecution's tactics in a innumerable number of ways like Bill Cosby did or what Johnny Cochran masterfully did in a legal tour de force in O.J. Simpsons criminal double-murder trial by exposing the LAPD's long, notorious history of systemic racism, racial profiling and that one of the case's lead detectives collected Nazi memorabilia and had made numerous racist, bigoted comments over his career. Even in the same process he was exposing and meticulously detailing LAPD'S long and well-known history of corruption, oppressive racist methods and procedures, this defense strategy was probably going to let a man he instinctively knew was guilty of murdering two people was going to get off.

With Paul Reubens, it was the fact that he was the longtime host of a popular CBS Saturday morning kids T.V. show when this bust happened at a adult theater and that sort of negative publicity at the time and coverage led to a backlash that temporarily derailed his career and he were had to transition into being a damn good TV and movie character actor. Was it overblown? Possibly but considering the stricter, tighter moral/ethical norms prevalent in early 90's America I'm not surprised it happened, either.

 

[Dago]

Saw this pop up and thought he died again ..

Was the use of "pop up" an intentional double entendre?

 

[Saintman2884]

I suppose a huge retraction is forthcoming

Well, there is Matt Gaetz, Rudy Giuliani to a certain extent, Bob Menendez in New Jersey but they aren't necessarily special, unique cases where the norms and methods related to our legal justice system's ability to arraign, adjudicate and convict are made expotentially harder, more difficult and the stakes are even more perilous.

 

[0rion]

I never found him funny. Ranks in there with the Gilbert Godfrey comedy....just not funny to me.

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

Isn't that a conversation more for MAP or are you trying to put me on the spot? You know political conversations regarding "Agent Orange" really aren't allowed on SR and if they were, he's more a rare special case (albeit not in a positive manner) or some one who's a billionaire, very charismatic, has a psuedo cult of personality behind him plus the previous admininistration (particularly its AG) wasn't as aggressive or dutiful in trying to hold him accountable for his actions by waiting too long and consequently, he out-manuevered and waited them out plus he was able to convince many Americans he was being unfairly targeted that gradually altered public perception of him and his first term.


Most people as well as surprisingly, 80-85% of most celebrities aren't "special cases" like these, Guido where the rules, norms and conventions of our society and justice system make it expotentially harder to convict. NOW, with good lawyers, favorable PR campaigns or fellow celebrities attesting to their supposed character, most celebrities or first-tier politicians might be able to skirt most major crimes their accused of unless overwhelmingly damning evidence with no outliers, potential "grey obstacle areas" surface where it isn't 100% clear. Or some simply just play the long legal obstacle game where they assume a "siege mentality", and try to wear down or expose the prosecution's tactics in a innumerable number of ways like Bill Cosby did or what Johnny Cochran masterfully did in a legal tour de force in O.J. Simpsons criminal double-murder trial by exposing the LAPD's long, notorious history of systemic racism, racial profiling and that one of the case's lead detectives collected Nazi memorabilia and had made numerous racist, bigoted comments over his career. Even in the same process he was exposing and meticulously detailing LAPD'S long and well-known history of corruption, oppressive racist methods and procedures, this defense strategy was probably going to let a man he instinctively knew was guilty of murdering two people was going to get off.

With Paul Reubens, it was the fact that he was the longtime host of a popular CBS Saturday morning kids T.V. show when this bust happened at a adult theater and that sort of negative publicity at the time and coverage led to a backlash that temporarily derailed his career and he were had to transition into being a damn good TV and movie character actor. Was it overblown? Possibly but considering the stricter, tighter moral/ethical norms prevalent in early 90's America I'm not surprised it happened, either.

huger ...and more retractiony

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

I never found him funny. Ranks in there with the Gilbert Godfrey comedy....just not funny to me.

he's no Carrottop - i'll give you that

 

[UpHere]

I never found him funny. Ranks in there with the Gilbert Godfrey comedy....just not funny to me.

i never found him very funny either, but i found him interesting and entertaining, which is more important - i'll watch this doc for sure

 

[El Caliente]

This thread reminds me that I need to watch Mystery Men with my kids now that they are all 2 years older.