Article Per PFT: Saints switch Taysom to QB on roster designation. (1 Viewer)

[CowtownSaint]

I’m assuming it’s an unpopular opinion based on what I’ve read in here so far, but having Winston active as the #2 is easily more valuable to the team than whoever the 48th player would be if we made Hill the #2 instead. How many meaningful snaps, if any, will that player be a part of?

I would contend that depth helps a lot more when you look at Special teams depth, having someone contribute on downs instead of a guy with a pad watching the game. Keep in mind we are doing this with the intention that no one gets hurt. Let’s not act like we are planning on Carr going down.

 

[FooDoo]

I’m assuming it’s an unpopular opinion based on what I’ve read in here so far, but having Winston active as the #2 is easily more valuable to the team than whoever the 48th player would be if we made Hill the #2 instead. How many meaningful snaps, if any, will that player be a part of?

QB2 rarely sees the field. Why take up an active spot?

Having Taysom as a fake QB2 allows the Saints to be very active with Taysom. If he were a true QB2, the Saints can’t risk him getting hurt bulldozing over the defense; so won’t call those type of plays.

But as a fake QB2, they can call all the plays involving Taysom. If he get hurts during the game and if Carr goes down, they still have their real QB2 Winston.

The 2 risks with the above are low:
1) Carr goes down but Taysom stay in. Then Taysom must play QB
2) Carr, Taysom, and Winston goes down, then they won’t have an emergency QB that other teams would have.

 

[Lionsaint]

I’ve seen plays where the running back has had the ball snapped to him nd even thrown a pass. Even though he is not listed as a QB.

There’s no rule, to my knowledge, that states you have to be listed as a QB to take the snap. But I believe there a roster rule that teams must have at least 2 active QBs on game day. They can’t go with just a starter and an emergency QB. That’s why they changed hill’s position. He can be the second active QB. Not because he has to be listed as a QB to take the snap from center.

 

[Optimistic Ozzy]

Brah, Haener will not be QB1 unless both Carr and Winston and injured.

Haener will be inactive, IMO.

 

[Optimistic Ozzy]

There’s no rule, to my knowledge, that states you have to be listed as a QB to take the snap. But I believe there a roster rule that teams must have at least 2 active QBs on game day. They can’t go with just a starter and an emergency QB. That’s why they changed hill’s position. He can be the second active QB. Not because he has to be listed as a QB to take the snap from center.

This really isn't complicated. It's just a designation of a player to open up a spot.

 

[Lionsaint]

This really isn't complicated. It's just a designation of a player to open up a spot.

Yep. I understand. Just clarifying for some others.

 

[jbob]

Haener must be really rough around the edges.

Why? Taysom is just a better QB at this point. He is 8-2 as a starter. Why would anyone want to start Haener over Taysom? If you do, you are a moron.

 

[FooDoo]

There’s no rule, to my knowledge, that states you have to be listed as a QB to take the snap. But I believe there a roster rule that teams must have at least 2 active QBs on game day. They can’t go with just a starter and an emergency QB. That’s why they changed hill’s position. He can be the second active QB. Not because he has to be listed as a QB to take the snap from center.

Who is taking the snap isn’t the question.

The question is, can that person pass the ball well.

Teams are not required to have 2 active QB. They can go with 1 QB if they like. Of course, they risk having zero effective passer if QB1 goes down.

Teams can have 4 active QB if they like. But then they will have 3 active staying on the sidelines, not contributing much.

The scenario with Taysom is the Saints can go with 1 QB Carr and Taysom as TE-X. If Carr goes down, then they’re kinda out of luck.

The requirement for 2 “bona fide” QB is the ability to designate an emergency QB. If that emergency QB comes in, only he can take the snap. Also, that emergency QB can not line up anywhere else; not as RB, TE, special team, punter, etc.

You can go to game day with 3 QB, say QB1 Carr, QB2 Winston, QB3 Hill. Then they can line up where ever. But no emergency QB.

You can go to game day with 2 QB, say QB1 Carr, QB2 Winston, TE-X Hill. Then they can line up where ever. But in this scenarios, they can designate Haener as the emergency QB.

They can go with QB1 Carr, QB2 Hill and designate Winston as emergency QB.

The requirement for bonafide QB is so the team can’t say QB1 Carr QB2 Kamara TE-X Hill and then designate Winston as an emergency QB

Questions left unanswered by the NFL clarification is how often a team can change the player position; Eg can the Saints flip Hill as a QB or TE whenever they want?

 

[Thunderchild]

If you guys haven't watched the Locked on Saints video yet (link in @SigFreudianSlip post #69) go watch it. Its the first segment and clarifies all the stuff y'all are speculating about.

Wouldn't knowing be better than guessing?

 

[Lionsaint]

Who is taking the snap isn’t the question.

The question is, can that person pass the ball well.

Teams are not required to have 2 active QB. They can go with 1 QB if they like. Of course, they risk having zero effective passer if QB1 goes down.

Teams can have 4 active QB if they like. But then they will have 3 active staying on the sidelines, not contributing much.

The scenario with Taysom is the Saints can go with 1 QB Carr and Taysom as TE-X. If Carr goes down, then they’re kinda out of luck.

The requirement for 2 “bona fide” QB is the ability to designate an emergency QB. If that emergency QB comes in, only he can take the snap. Also, that emergency QB can not line up anywhere else; not as RB, TE, special team, punter, etc.

You can go to game day with 3 QB, say QB1 Carr, QB2 Winston, QB3 Hill. Then they can line up where ever. But no emergency QB.

You can go to game day with 2 QB, say QB1 Carr, QB2 Winston, TE-X Hill. Then they can line up where ever. But in this scenarios, they can designate Haener as the emergency QB.

They can go with QB1 Carr, QB2 Hill and designate Winston as emergency QB.

The requirement for bonafide QB is so the team can’t say QB1 Carr QB2 Kamara TE-X Hill and then designate Winston as an emergency QB

Questions left unanswered by the NFL clarification is how often a team can change the player position; Eg can the Saints flip Hill as a QB or TE whenever they want?

Maybe I wasnt clear. But I think we are saying the same thing. I was saying the reason Hill was changed to QB was so they could list Winston as emergency and free up a spot. It sounded like people were saying it was done because someone listed as TE couldn’t take snaps at QB and the Saints wanted Hill to have a few snaps per game. Maybe I just misunderstood what they posted but I fully understood the reasoning behind his position change.

 

[Rouxble]

If you guys haven't watched the Locked on Saints video yet (link in @SigFreudianSlip post #69) go watch it. Its the first segment and clarifies all the stuff y'all are speculating about.

Wouldn't knowing be better than guessing?

To be fair, even Ross is speculating at this point. Until Sunday's gameday roster gets rolled out, or until announced otherwise, no one really knows the plan for Week 1.

 

[Thunderchild]

To be fair, even Ross is speculating at this point. Until Sunday's gameday roster gets rolled out, or until announced otherwise, no one really knows the plan for Week 1.

FWIW, he wasn't speculating about how the QB rule works. But, you're right. he was speculating about how the Saints might take advantage.

Much of this thread is about how the 3rd QB rule works. That he covers without speculation.

 

[jasonsw]

Why? Taysom is just a better QB at this point. He is 8-2 as a starter. Why would anyone want to start Haener over Taysom? If you do, you are a moron.

It's not about that. It's the fact that a decent draft pick was used on him and he can't make it to third string. Now he is suspended.

We as fans want Taysom to be freed up to play any role. Taysom as Qb is OK but him as a versatile weapon I'd deadly

 

[St. Geezy]

I’m assuming it’s an unpopular opinion based on what I’ve read in here so far, but having Winston active as the #2 is easily more valuable to the team than whoever the 48th player would be if we made Hill the #2 instead. How many meaningful snaps, if any, will that player be a part of?

I believe player 48 would almost certainly be another special teams contributor.

Outside of the backup QBs, just about every player on a team's gameday active roster is indeed, "active" in the game in some capacity. It isn't like college or high school, where you have guys on the sideline merely there to be a full-time spectator.

 

[St. Geezy]

It's not about that. It's the fact that a decent draft pick was used on him and he can't make it to third string. Now he is suspended.

We as fans want Taysom to be freed up to play any role. Taysom as Qb is OK but him as a versatile weapon I'd deadly

What prevents Taysom from playing any role? Just because the letters "QB" now appear on paper next to his name you believe we are going to change our approach with him?