Peyton Manning says teams fail young QBs when forcing them to change coaches, systems (3 Viewers)

[TenTwo]

Rizzi is being talked about as the special teams coach in Denver. I think its time we let that ship sail.

Tell that to the Saints who are interviewing Rizzi today. If history is any indicator, Rizzi has a real chance to be named HC. Loomis feels confident about his evaluations on his coaches, and knows that Rizzi could provide the continuity he believes in.

 

[DerrickB]

I'm pretty sure if Rizzi gets hired, he will hitch his wagon to Carr.

 

[ELLIASJWILLIAMS]

I'm pretty sure if Rizzi gets hired, he will hitch his wagon to Carr.

Touche, I almost forgot he point out that he won all his games w/ Carr. Good insight

 

[SigFreudianSlip]

So we should run it back with a mediocre at best coaching staff because of Rattler? Why are we assuming Rattler is the future? It’s not like we invested a 1st in him, and it’s not like he did enough to prove he is a franchise qb. Running it back with Rizzi and Kubiak may still happen, but only if we miss out on the best candidates available. It would have nothing to do with Rattler imo.

I agree with you, but it’s most likely to be a tank next season anyways. So I’m good with it.
Just keep cleaning cap, try to draft well.

 

[SigFreudianSlip]

I'm pretty sure if Rizzi gets hired, he will hitch his wagon to Carr.

Hopefully he steers that wagon better than DA did then.

 

[SweetT]

Everything is situational. If a young QB has less than adequate coaches, I would not expect those coaches to stay on board for continuity. Sometimes that big forehead of Peyton, blocks his better judgment. Point taken, but that needs to be placed in context

 

[Eeyore]

I don't dislike the Saints quarterbacks but let's not act like a coaching change is going to deprive us of the next Payton Manning.

 

[jahsoul357]

When you see all of these rookie QBs coming in and making an immediate impact plus all the free agent, left for dead qbs like Darnold, Mayfield, and Geno Smith having career renaissances, it makes it extremely hard to stick with a guy who is struggling. Not saying it’s right, it’s just how the business is.

I agree 100%. And then these people get the bag going to another team and we see how much scheme played and cast plays a part in success. But year by year, we complain about how bad quarterback play really has gotten and this trend will continue...

 

[jahsoul357]

Everything is situational. If a young QB has less than adequate coaches, I would not expect those coaches to stay on board for continuity. Sometimes that big forehead of Peyton, blocks his better judgment. Point taken, but that needs to be placed in context

The thing is, the Colts got rid of Mora and brought in Dungy but Dungy was smart of enough to keep Tom Moore around and they kept the offense the same. But I also understand, this is why I stated that coaches really don't care about QB development and we find that more and more, coaches take more away. Those QBs that really developed were the ones you hear about playing chess matches with the defense and they are the ones that made receivers around them better.

 

[St4ever]

So to ask a different question, albeit a very important one, which HC candidate do you feel has the best chance a filling a great staff of coaches?

 

[saintfan1972]

I think that's why you see some offensive minded HC's call their own plays. If the OC leaves, it doesn't matter. Sometimes I think theres advantages and disadvantages to the coach calling the plays

 

[No2DC]

So to ask a different question, albeit a very important one, which HC candidate do you feel has the best chance a filling a great staff of coaches?

I think it's about connections and relationships. I'll use the Commander's staff as an example. They have two form HCs on the offensive side: Kliff (Cardinals)and Lynn (Charger, now )run game coordinator, and the QB coach is a former backup who's been on several staffs. As another poster said, the coach needs to merge their system with what the QB does well. However, in our case, I don't know how much can be done with our current QB room.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2025/01/15/jayden-daniels-david-blough-commanders-qb-coach/

 

[Treybad]

Peyton Manning says teams fail young QBs when forcing them to change coaches, systems

When the Colts drafted Peyton Manning with the first overall pick in 1998, they built an offense around his skills and with plenty of his input, and then let him run it year after year.

www.nbcsports.com

It's the unpopular opinion but I continue to think running it back w/ Rizzi and Kubiak's staff is the best way to go in 2025. Putting a premium on developing Rattler in the same system and allowing Rizzi, Rattler, and Kubiak all to fail together before proceeding to clean staff w/ an eye towards drafting a high round QB in 2026 would be the best bet.

Failed to mention that would be Haener's 3rd system in 3 years as well should we kill everything. QB is our bigget problem, changing systems doesn't help anything.

the problem is QB not the system.... the problem is who GM/HC chose for our QB granted their first choice would have been 10 times worse than their second option or backup plan

 

[DSnfla]

Peyton Manning says teams fail young QBs when forcing them to change coaches, systems

When the Colts drafted Peyton Manning with the first overall pick in 1998, they built an offense around his skills and with plenty of his input, and then let him run it year after year.

www.nbcsports.com

It's the unpopular opinion but I continue to think running it back w/ Rizzi and Kubiak's staff is the best way to go in 2025. Putting a premium on developing Rattler in the same system and allowing Rizzi, Rattler, and Kubiak all to fail together before proceeding to clean staff w/ an eye towards drafting a high round QB in 2026 would be the best bet.

Failed to mention that would be Haener's 3rd system in 3 years as well should we kill everything. QB is our bigget problem, changing systems doesn't help anything.

I agree totally with keeping Kubiak and the whole O coaching staff.
The percentage of Rizzi being very successful is not high IMHO. Then he has to hit on a great DC because Rizzi is not a DC.

So if I'm ML or put yourself in his position, if I don't knock this HC hire out of the park I'm either fired or moved to a non-decision making position with the organization. Because when the likelihood that Rizzi fails I'm done

Nope I'f I'm ML Rizzi is not the guy I'm hanging my job on

 

[kennydfresh]

It's the unpopular opinion but I continue to think running it back w/ Rizzi and Kubiak's staff is the best way to go in 2025. Putting a premium on developing Rattler in the same system and allowing Rizzi, Rattler, and Kubiak all to fail together before proceeding to clean staff w/ an eye towards drafting a high round QB in 2026 would be the best bet.

I don't have a problem with this but the people on this board and the casual Saint fan would go crazy. You saw what kind of crazy came out after we lost 2 games in a row. Imagine going into the season knowing what it is, and the losing start again. This season became stale, long, and boring once the losses piled up. But with Arch Manning possibly being drafted by the Saints, new HC, new GM, and with a little cap space we might be okay to tank 2025.