Police Shootings / Possible Abuse Threads [merged] (3 Viewers)

[SaintsFanInLA]

Tik tok had the whole man vs bear debate and as a person of color, this feels like our man vs bear scenario. She called law enforcement because she suspected a prowler around her home, real or perceived. And I don't think it's hyperbole to state that she probably would have stood a better chance with the prowler, the bear.

Every person, particularly White Americans, really needs to ponder that and sit with it and let it marinate. She called public servants to come and serve and protect her, to protect, and that call ended her life. She would have been better off with the would be perpetrator. Again, to be that unsafe is untenable.

Words can't describe how sick I am about this. They just simply cannot. Sitting here on the verge of tears, just disgusted beyond belief. This could have been my sister, my mother, my girlfriend, my cousin, my aunt, my grandmother and it's disheartening.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Dude was convicted of 2 DUI's prior to joining the force. Should have never been given a badge.

Not dismissing the DUIs but being convicted of drunk driving doesn't make one more likely to shoot an innocent woman in the face in her own home

But something did

I refuse to believe that there were not any clues or signs somewhere along the way to suggest that maybe this dude shouldn't have a badge and a gun

I really believe there needs to be some national standard for policing

I recognize that being a cop in a big city is different than a suburb or a small town or rural area.

I know big cities aren't the same, I'm sure New York is different than Dallas or Miami or Seattle

But there needs to be a baseline and if you fall below it you can't be a police officer anywhere in the country. Period

 

[GrandAdmiral]

This Sonya Massey murder really has done a number on me. I didn't sleep well last night. Terrible headspace. I don't know how we can watch this happen over and over again and not understand the gravity of it. A fellow American, shot in the head, through the eye, in her own home, her kitchen, murdered by the persons she helps pay to serve and protect our communities. To be this unsafe as a citizen of this country...it's, I don't know. A lot of empty emotions today.

Tell me about it. I just read this analysis some law enforcement experts did for CNN and it just pisses me off more.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/23/us/sonya-massey-police-shooting-what-went-wrong/index.html

 

[bigdaddysaints]

Not dismissing the DUIs but being convicted of drunk driving doesn't make one more likely to shoot an innocent woman in the face in her own home

i don't think he was saying the DUIs and the shooting are connected, but saying someone with 2 DUIs probably isn't someone who makes great decisions, and shouldn't have even been on the police force.. decision making is a critical skill in that field.

 

[Dallas_Saint73]

Not dismissing the DUIs but being convicted of drunk driving doesn't make one more likely to shoot an innocent woman in the face in her own home

But something did

I refuse to believe that there were not any clues or signs somewhere along the way to suggest that maybe this dude shouldn't have a badge and a gun

I really believe there needs to be some national standard for policing

I recognize that being a cop in a big city is different than a suburb or a small town or rural area.

I know big cities aren't the same, I'm sure New York is different than Dallas or Miami or Seattle

But there needs to be a baseline and if you fall below it you can't be a police officer anywhere in the country. Period

Agreed. I guess what I am trying to say is that he should not have been a cop to begin with. Clearly has something wrong and something like this was bound to happen unfortunately. Police departments should do a better job of evaluating recruits before accepting their application. Too many nutjobs appear to slip through the cracks.

 

[Eeyore]

Federal judge rules police don't owe for damages from mistaken raid

Amy Hadley's attorneys, the civil rights law firm Institute for Justice, says courts around the nation are struggling with the issue

www.wvpe.org

 

[bigdaddysaints]

this is terrible..
that's a license to harass people who you can't get a warrant for, so you "accidently" raid the wrong house .

 

[Optimus Prime]

Piece of shirt

I have no words
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After fatally shooting an unarmed Black womanwho called 911 to report what she thought was a prowler outside her Illinois home, police claimed her death was in fact self-inflicted, according to the victim’s family and dispatch audio from the incident…….

In bodycam footage captured by Grayson’s partner, which was released on Monday by the Illinois State Police, Grayson can be heard asking dispatch, post-shooting, if Massey has “any call history for being 10-96,” the department’s code for a mentally ill subject.

In contemporaneous radio traffic reviewed by The Independent, a police dispatcher can be heard saying, “Just to confirm: self-inflicted?”

Following a few seconds of confused back-and-forth, an unidentified voice from the scene replies, “Self-inflicted.”……

Cop described Sonya Massey shooting as ‘self-inflicted’ in initial dispatch

‘Just to confirm: self-inflicted?’ a police dispatcher asks, to which a voice replies, ‘Self-inflicted’

www.independent.co.uk

 

[Optimus Prime]

Dude was convicted of 2 DUI's prior to joining the force. Should have never been given a badge.

SPRINGFIELD, Ill. — The terminated Sangamon County Sheriff’s Office deputy involved in the shooting death of a woman who called for 911 assistance worked at six different law enforcement agencies in the last four years, state records obtained by WGN’s Nexstar sister station show.

Since August of 2020, Sean Grayson worked less than one year at the Auburn (Ill.) Police Department, one year at the Logan County (Ill.) Sheriff’s Office, and then just over a year with the Sangamon County Sheriff’s Office, the records obtained by WCIA show. He was also employed with police departments in Virden, Kincaid and Pawnee.

Grayson was arrested twice for Class A misdemeanor DUIs, once in 2015 and once in 2016.…….

https://wgntv.com/news/illinois/sonya-massey-shooting-deputy-sean-grayson/

 

[Dallas_Saint73]

SPRINGFIELD, Ill. — The terminated Sangamon County Sheriff’s Office deputy involved in the shooting death of a woman who called for 911 assistance worked at six different law enforcement agencies in the last four years, state records obtained by WGN’s Nexstar sister station show.

Since August of 2020, Sean Grayson worked less than one year at the Auburn (Ill.) Police Department, one year at the Logan County (Ill.) Sheriff’s Office, and then just over a year with the Sangamon County Sheriff’s Office, the records obtained by WCIA show. He was also employed with police departments in Virden, Kincaid and Pawnee.

Grayson was arrested twice for Class A misdemeanor DUIs, once in 2015 and once in 2016.…….

https://wgntv.com/news/illinois/sonya-massey-shooting-deputy-sean-grayson/

So many red flags. Yet he was hired.

 

[SaintsFanInLA]

So many red flags. Yet he was hired.

From what I understand, much like the Catholic Church with problem priests, instead of kicking them out, they just moved them to different parishes... law enforcement has some unspoken "rules" for the same. Just move problem officers from one duty station to another. I don't know if it's been studied or documented but I remember reading about something like this. Maybe someone with much more knowledge of the subject can effectively "speak" on it.

 

[2009ring]

I cannot believe this shooting. It's absolutely 100% unjustified and I am apalled.

A few things I noticed from the video.

1. Why were they even in her house to begin with? Supposedly they were just getting her ID and could have done so without entering her house. None of this happens if the interaction is limited to the front porch of her house. Folks - do not let police in your house for any reason without a warrant. IMO they were in the house because they suspected drug usage and were trying to see drugs so they could bust her. Another cop fishing expedition ends in tragedy.

2. Dude had his hand on his gun long before even drawing it on her, let along pulling the trigger. These cops need re-trained that while you must be aware of your surroundings, all citizens are innocent until proven guilty, so this "officer safety" tagline is a bunch of BS. This dude literally shot the person that called them for help. Because of hot water. Hot. Water. These police are so scared now that they shoot based on falling acorns, women with hot water, etc. Keep your guns in your GD holster you jagoff.

3. We literally have a complex court system to convict alleged criminals and send them jail (which may take months), but for some reason police are allowed to make split-second decisions about KILLING someone and it's tolerated.

 

[Optimus Prime]

From what I understand, much like the Catholic Church with problem priests, instead of kicking them out, they just moved them to different parishes... law enforcement has some unspoken "rules" for the same. Just move problem officers from one duty station to another. I don't know if it's been studied or documented but I remember reading about something like this. Maybe someone with much more knowledge of the subject can effectively "speak" on it.

Which is also something that needs to be stopped

A bad cop who is fired for being a bad cop shouldn't be able to just move two counties over

 

[Big_L]

Dude laughed when asked about the weapon and mentioning the water. It seems this situations seem to happen to a certain demographic way more often.

 

[Big_L]

Which is also something that needs to be stopped

A bad cop who is fired for being a bad cop shouldn't be able to just move two counties over

Same thing with the Cleveland PD officer who murdered Tamir Rice.