Prayers up for Derek Carr [Mod Edit: Derek Carr is week to week with fractured left hand and concussion] (2 Viewers)

[HouseCall]

We're not criticizing Carr's effort or determination when we say it was a dumb, stupid call to make and our coaching staff made more then a few today. And they were persistently stubborn about it too, House.

And mediocre, ineffective gameplanning and awful decision-making are partly why we're a bad team this year, along with being almost cursed when it comes to injuries. Strange how that's been a constant problem the past 3-4 years. Bullshirt injuries too where you look up at the sky and ask God what we did to piss him off this badly.

I get that, but under the circumstances, Carr was just as aware as all of us how ineffective the offense was in the second half and was trying to give all of himself to secure a win.

Was it a smart decision, personally? No. But Carr did it for the team and the fans because he wanted the win.

The fans have repaid all of his sacrifices with criticism because they simply don’t like him and would rather the team be led by a guy like Jameis Winston who has led the Browns to exactly 1 win despite all his histrionics and enthusiasm.

Carr will never be liked by this fan base, no matter what he does and he doesn’t deserve that. He’s giving everything he has and has received nothing in return from the fans but criticism and calls for his removal.

It’s a shame.

 

[Merl]

For the people not liking this post, look at his injury history over the last two years. He's had the crap beat out of him and now he has a broken hand and possibly his 3rd concussion in two years. We don't need to see more of him this year.

He has also had terrible online play throughout his career. I grew up as a Raiders fan in the 70's and 80's. Started liking the Saints in the mid 80's. By the 90's they switched. Position's in my fandom. I have been all about the Saints and pull for the Raiders as long as their winning doesn't hurt the Saints chances of making the post season.

Carr has had a tough go of it with injuries. I was impressed with the effort he gave on that attempt at a first down. Carr is a QB that needs a supporting cast, and he hasn't had that minus the first 2 games. He isn't a Qb that will take over a game on his own (there aren't too many of those left) but he gives you all he can and today he paid for trying to go above and beyond.

The comments on the Gameday board were pretty bad but those aren't real fans. I support whoever is behind center whether it be Rattler or Haener, it doesn't matter. Hopefully Carr can return soon but his season may be finished, hopefully not but a broken wrist would pretty much seal it.

That's why you need to leave that dumpster fire thread.

 

[Saintman2884]

I get that, but under the circumstances, Carr was just as aware as all of us how ineffective the offense was in the second half and was trying to give all of himself to secure a win.

Was it a smart decision, personally? No. But Carr did it for the team and the fans because he wanted the win.

The fans have repaid all of his sacrifices with criticism because they simply don’t like him and would rather the team be led by a guy like Jameis Winston who has led the Browns to exactly 1 win despite all his histrionics and enthusiasm.

Carr will never be liked by this fan base, no matter what he does and he doesn’t deserve that. He’s giving everything he has and has received nothing in return from the fans but criticism and calls for his removal.

It’s a shame.

Maybe you'll disagree, but I think most fans know Carr busts his arse and plays so hard and diligently to try and win games. I'm not expecting Brees' and I know Carr has limitations but he has lead this team to one winning season despite having a moron for a HC, and an incompetent series of OC's.

We're also pissed that we have some pretty stubborn assistants making some questionable, aggravating calls that have hand-cuffed Carr's ceiling here and for a decade in Oakland, where he was a 3x Pro Bowl QB on some mediocre teams with not the best supporting casts. I see a very good QB who has over 40,000 career passing yards and wonder he's only had 3 winning seasons as an NFL starter. The Raiders franchise failed him for the most part, House.

 

[saintfan1972]

It really has just been that type of year.

With Rizzi, I know the Saints will.keep fighting hard. Probably win another 2 games.

What 2? Raiders and ?

 

[SigFreudianSlip]

Jake is definitely not the answer. I’d rather see Penning play QB. At least that would be funny. Spencer has the potential and talent to be a NFL Quarterback. I want to see him behind a healthy Oline for 4 games. That way I know if we have to draft one out of necessity

Usually on the same wavelength as you Info, we will have to disagree on this one. Not about Jake, you are probably right…but about Rattler.

Just as you feel definitively that Jake isn’t the answer I feel the same about Spencer. We shall see how it all shakes out.

 

[Saintman2884]

He has also had terrible online play throughout his career. I grew up as a Raiders fan in the 70's and 80's. Started liking the Saints in the mid 80's. By the 90's they switched. Position's in my fandom. I have been all about the Saints and pull for the Raiders as long as their winning doesn't hurt the Saints chances of making the post season.

That's why you need to leave that dumpster fire thread.

Merl, considering how hard, durable and how effective he could be for Oakland/Las Vegas for a decade, is it fair to say the Raiders organization and Mark Davis totally failed Carr in giving him consistently good supporting casts?

 

[Infoman]

Usually on the same wavelength as you Info, we will have to disagree on this one. Not about Jake, you are probably right…but about Rattler.

Just as you feel definitively that Jake isn’t the answer I feel the same about Spencer. We shall see how it all shakes out.

Neither may be the answer. I just know Spencer has more potential and high level NFL talent than Jake. I’ve seen many flashes of it from him…. And none of that from Jake. I could be wrong on Spencer, but I’m pretty sure about Jake. I’m still of the belief we need to draft a QB every year pretty high from here on. Unless, of course Spencer can prove we shouldn’t. I see zero chance of Jake doing that.

 

[SigFreudianSlip]

Neither may be the answer. I just know Spencer has more potential and high level NFL talent than Jake. I’ve seen many flashes of it from him…. And none of that from Jake. I could be wrong on Spencer, but I’m pretty sure about Jake. I’m still of the belief we need to draft a QB every year pretty high from here on. Unless, of course Spencer can prove we shouldn’t. I see zero chance of Jake doing that.

I think if you could put Jake’s brain into Spencer’s body then we’d have a QB.

I agree on the overall philosophy yearly.

 

[SystemShock]

Some clowns on the gameday thread were saying he was stupid and reckless.... but if he had slid down to avoid the hit, and come up short of the marker, the same clowns would have been crying about him being a "coward" and "afraid".

Oh, wow. You got everyone here pegged...

 

[St. Widge]

Neither may be the answer. I just know Spencer has more potential and high level NFL talent than Jake. I’ve seen many flashes of it from him…. And none of that from Jake. I could be wrong on Spencer, but I’m pretty sure about Jake. I’m still of the belief we need to draft a QB every year pretty high from here on. Unless, of course Spencer can prove we shouldn’t. I see zero chance of Jake doing that.

Yeah, I don't know if Rattler is the answer but of the two I think he's the only one that really has a shot to be a quality NFL starter. I'd like to see him given a start now that we have the OL back and have some options in the passing game with MVS, Austin, and Means coming back. Not great weapons, but better than what he had to play with when he got those starts when Carr was hurt the first time. Then we will have a better idea how aggressive we need to be trying to find a QB.

 

[SigFreudianSlip]

Oh, wow. You got everyone here pegged...

Whoa! This is a family board Shock.

 

[WilliamBrees]

Do you not watch football wanting your team to win?

The think is we know the issues with this team and they still complain. One poster on the GameDay board made it clear we need offensive playmakers. Five deep.

 

[504gks]

For the people not liking this post, look at his injury history over the last two years. He's had the crap beat out of him and now he has a broken hand and possibly his 3rd concussion in two years. We don't need to see more of him this

Yup, those players that draw the ire of those "fans" will never get the benefit of the doubt no matter which course of action they took. We saw this on full display with Mark Ingram 2 years ago, almost to the day.

Ingram tears his MCL and clowns popping off at the mouth, "wOw hE RaN oUt oF BoUnDs aNd AvOiDeD cOnTaCt iNsTeAd oF PiCkiNg uP tHe FiRsT dOwN! sOfT!!!!"

He wasnt stupid, it wasn't a major colllision he landed awkwardly on his hand. He must be one of those concussion sensitive players. Didnt see any head trauma of note.

 

[504gks]

Yup, those players that draw the ire of those "fans" will never get the benefit of the doubt no matter which course of action they took. We saw this on full display with Mark Ingram 2 years ago, almost to the day.

Ingram tears his MCL and clowns popping off at the mouth, "wOw hE RaN oUt oF BoUnDs aNd AvOiDeD cOnTaCt iNsTeAd oF PiCkiNg uP tHe FiRsT dOwN! sOfT!!!!"

It was THE worst play of Ingrams career

 

[Merl]

I get that, but under the circumstances, Carr was just as aware as all of us how ineffective the offense was in the second half and was trying to give all of himself to secure a win.

Was it a smart decision, personally? No. But Carr did it for the team and the fans because he wanted the win.

The fans have repaid all of his sacrifices with criticism because they simply don’t like him and would rather the team be led by a guy like Jameis Winston who has led the Browns to exactly 1 win despite all his histrionics and enthusiasm.

Carr will never be liked by this fan base, no matter what he does and he doesn’t deserve that. He’s giving everything he has and has received nothing in return from the fans but criticism and calls for his removal.

It’s a shame.

Carr was doomed to be a fan favorite here because he wasn't Brees. Many are now convinced a 4th round rookie that had to transfer after his softmore year to get a starter position because his first team signed a highscool kid they thought was better is the next Franchise qb. The future Franchise QB is not currently on the roster and likely won't be for 2 to 3 years yet.