Poll Preference : Dart or Sanders (4 Viewers)

[SonOfNOLA]

Why? Dart played and produced in the big boy league. He should easily make the discussion. It’s embarrassing that we can’t have that conversation.

A lot of responses usually trash Sanders to build up Dart. Which is a personal preference, that’s the title. When it comes to the who’s better discussion, standalone QB arguments aren’t really shared on why Dart is a better QB today, the QB skills that are better or more polished, without a lot of nonfootball opinions on Sanders inserted. Some simply said I can’t stand Sanders so I pick Dart. Media talking points are thrown around but are disproven with stats.

Regional bias is a big factor. SEC competition is very overrated and inserted to deflect from the QBs’ skills. In 2024, one QB put up super monster games vs NCAA’s weakest colleges. SEC teams play a lot of FCS/I-AA teams on their schedules. SEC competition isn’t dominant or the strongest outside of UGA and Tennessee. Recruits may be the best. Most of the teams aren’t great and can be beaten. Vandy, Kentucky, and Ms State are really bad. LSU is wildly inconsistent. Bama, SC, Ole Miss, Mizzou are good but not strong. Arkansas, Florida, and Texas A&M are above average and losing games to nonSEC teams often. Every conference has their elite teams. UGA is the only powerhouse as of late which is why SEC competition doesn’t hold much.

 

[lapaz]

Shedeur almost had 3500 passing yards in 2023. He had 69.3% to Dart’s 65.1%. 27 TDs and 3 ints to Dart’s 23 TDs and 6 ints.

Dart had a solid ‘23 year, make it 2 good years to Sanders’ 4. Dart has better mobility than Sanders, or utilizes mobility more, but he’s not a better QB/passer than Sanders.

How they performed their freshmen and sophomore years is irrelevant. There are many great QBs that didn’t start great. Steadiness is admirable, but it may mean you’ve peaked. I get being worried about only 1 good year being a fluke, but 2 years, plus showing improvement, is more valuable. However there have also been plenty of terrible NFL players that put up great stats in college. Context matters the most. Competition, relative team talent, coaching, and intangibles are not formulaic.

I would take Dart, but not at 9. The thing that bothers me about Sanders is that Prime will create a lot of pressure for the coach and Sheduer. If he doesn’t start, it will be an issue. If he doesn’t succeed, the team and coach will be blamed. As long as Sheduer was being coached by his dad, Prime couldn’t cast stones. Prime will be a pain for whoever drafts Sheduer if he isn’t successful. Prime is Sheduer’s baggage. If he succeeds, Prime might even take the credit. It may be a no-win.

 

[SonOfNOLA]

How they performed their freshmen and sophomore years is irrelevant. There are many great QBs that didn’t start great. Steadiness is admirable, but it may mean you’ve peaked. I get being worried about only 1 good year being a fluke, but 2 years, plus showing improvement, is more valuable. However there have also been plenty of terrible NFL players that put up great stats in college. Context matters the most. Competition, relative team talent, coaching, and intangibles are not formulaic.

I would take Dart, but not at 9. The thing that bothers me about Sanders is that Prime will create a lot of pressure for the coach and Sheduer. If he doesn’t start, it will be an issue. If he doesn’t succeed, the team and coach will be blamed. As long as Sheduer was being coached by his dad, Prime couldn’t cast stones. Prime will be a pain for whoever drafts Sheduer if he isn’t successful. Prime is Sheduer’s baggage. If he succeeds, Prime might even take the credit. It may be a no-win.

Accuracy, ball placement, pocket presence, progressions, release time, footwork, complete passer in all 3 field levels, scoring, consistent game to game production is what QB prospect discussions always weighed on.

Competition is a big factor but isn’t predominantly deciding who‘s a better skilled passer for the NFL level. They still need to be an actual high caliber passer in all aspects. After the schedule competition is compared and one QB’s schedule shows the opposite of what’s assumed, there’s nothing else to stand on in discussion when competition is the main factor. Ole Miss’ previous starter Matt Corral played the same SEC schedule. That didn’t automatically make him a starting caliber NFL QB or better QB prospect. Corral was projected in Dart’s original projected round.

SEC schedules have some of the worst competition. After 2 high nationally ranked SEC opponents, a SEC team’s schedule will consist of multiple FCS/I-AA teams, a lesser FBS conference team, barely above .500 SEC teams and several 2 to 5 win SEC teams.
I don’t buy being a SEC team automatically means they’re strong competition. A 2 win or 4 win team is a 2 or 4 win team who are losing a lot to non-SEC teams. Barely above .500 teams will struggle to win on a nonSEC Power 5 team’s field as their schedule results actually show. There’s Georgia & Tennessee and then there’s everyone else who are either inconsistent, good but not great, barely above .500 or a losing team.

I think Prime being in the spotlight is a valid concern. He has other fulltime responsibilities to focus on as Colorado’s HC though. I believe the Saints’ new HC and passing offensive staff aren’t lacking in leadership or coaching on the field for Shedeur’s dad to publicly criticize the Saints at the sight of adversity. I don’t think he’d want to hinder Shedeur’s development and career as soon as he enters the league.

 

[texasjefe]

Compare or desire all you want but reality is that Sanders might be in play at #9, but Dart should not be.

Both Sanders and Dart last year in my view reached a good but not an incredible ceiling and couldn't get their teams to their slightly higher potential.

If they really love Dart, they would be dropping down, which is unlikely because you just can't predict where Dart is available, without risking a noteworthy reach.

I would feel fine if the Saints took Sanders, with Moore developing and coaching him. I'd rather have Jeanty but don't expect that at this point.

Shedeur would be a fun new identity for the Saints. I also like Deion. He is a transformational figure, and give him credit for being an FBS coach now.

 

[Saint Jack]

Compare or desire all you want but reality is that Sanders might be in play at #9, but Dart should not be.

Both Sanders and Dart last year in my view reached a good but not an incredible ceiling and couldn't get their teams to their slightly higher potential.

If they really love Dart, they would be dropping down, which is unlikely because you just can't predict where Dart is available, without risking a noteworthy reach.

I would feel fine if the Saints took Sanders, with Moore developing and coaching him. I'd rather have Jeanty but don't expect that at this point.

Shedeur would be a fun new identity for the Saints. I also like Deion. He is a transformational figure, and give him credit for being an FBS coach now.

Sheduer gives the franchise a new identity.
They’re gonna get primetime games because of Sheduer.
He brings hope.

 

[SaintStephen1]

I'll pass on both. Weak QB class. Ward the only one worth taking. I'd also pass on Ewers that we seem to be flirting with. Maybe a Shough in the 4th round.

No more wasting mid round picks on avg QBs please.

 

[St.Dan]

Neither at 9 and perhaps neither at 40. Just listened to T-Bob on 104.5 say he's warming up to Shedeur at 9, and I just can't. You already have a project on the roster in Spencer Rattler and at least one QB worth trading up for (Little Nuss, to go along with Big Nuss) will be available next year and then Arch the year after that.

The middle rounds is the way to go if they want to "take a flyer" on a QB, as the saying goes. What I'm warming up to is a CB at either 9 or 40. I've been all about the trenches there, but the o-line prospects don't seem to be elite enough this year and Carter probably won't fall enough to make it to 9.

 

[3ParStillDriver]

Neither at 9 and perhaps neither at 40. Just listened to T-Bob on 104.5 say he's warming up to Shedeur at 9, and I just can't. You already have a project on the roster in Spencer Rattler and at least one QB worth trading up for (Little Nuss, to go along with Big Nuss) will be available next year and then Arch the year after that.

The middle rounds is the way to go if they want to "take a flyer" on a QB, as the saying goes. What I'm warming up to is a CB at either 9 or 40. I've been all about the trenches there, but the o-line prospects don't seem to be elite enough this year and Carter probably won't fall enough to make it to 9.

It's funny you say that because I've been wondering the last couple of days if they may go Banks or Campbell. Out of the two I think Banks is better. Sanders to me has way to many variables that put him in negative light that many are ignoring or don't know about. It's hard for me to imagine him becoming anything better then a bottom 10 starting QB. Dart to me feels more like Cam Ward. I view him as 1a to 1b. But I get the feeling they won't go that route. I still believe they'll look at Jeanty first and Warren. But perhaps Banks/Campbell is 3rd or higher, placed above Warren.

 

[SonOfNOLA]

Compare or desire all you want but reality is that Sanders might be in play at #9, but Dart should not be.

Both Sanders and Dart last year in my view reached a good but not an incredible ceiling and couldn't get their teams to their slightly higher potential.

If they really love Dart, they would be dropping down, which is unlikely because you just can't predict where Dart is available, without risking a noteworthy reach.

I would feel fine if the Saints took Sanders, with Moore developing and coaching him. I'd rather have Jeanty but don't expect that at this point.

Shedeur would be a fun new identity for the Saints. I also like Deion. He is a transformational figure, and give him credit for being an FBS coach now.

Interesting that Jalen Milroe received a draft invite but no reports on Jaxson Dart receiving one. Wonder if Milroe leaped Dart as QB3 in NFL circles.

Either Dart received one and didn’t accept. Or he simply didn't receive an invite based on NFL hearing he may be selected closer to early day 2. Either seems to indicate the uncertainty of his draft pick range.

 

[St.Dan]

It's funny you say that because I've been wondering the last couple of days if they may go Banks or Campbell. Out of the two I think Banks is better. Sanders to me has way to many variables that put him in negative light that many are ignoring or don't know about. It's hard for me to imagine him becoming anything better then a bottom 10 starting QB. Dart to me feels more like Cam Ward. I view him as 1a to 1b. But I get the feeling they won't go that route. I still believe they'll look at Jeanty first and Warren. But perhaps Banks/Campbell is 3rd or higher, placed above Warren.

Warren before Jeanty to me. Not that Jeanty doesn't have the potential to overcome the level of competition he had in college like LaDanian Tomlinson did, but I think they need a better o-line overall right now versus just a new RB. Kamara isn't done running yet, basically. And TE is still crying out for a true star. Best CB available at 9 and Mason Taylor at 40 would be fine by me, too.

 

[Clintonrebel]

I’ll take (C)

 

[3ParStillDriver]

258 votes with Dart well ahead if not a significant gap.

 

[SaintLIX]

I've been on this board long enough to know that a lot of you don't like certain QBs...

 

[jasonsw]

None. Dart has played average at best and poor very often against conference competition or good teams.

Sanders is an unknown. His numbers look spectacular, but then you look at the competition he played and who his number one WR was. He benefitted alot from having a Hiesman winning WR and playing marshmallow soft competition.

The fact he finished 8th in the Hiesman race as a QB during a weak qb year says alot. It also didn't help he layed an egg against the one decent school he played, BYU. Last I checked they are far from being a football juggernaut.

Put Sanders in the SEC, he would of been lucky to complete 60 percent of his passes and throw for 20TDs in my opinion.