Rainbow Six Vegas 2 >= COD4 ??? (1 Viewer)

[Webmeistro]

And rightfully so. I just seems to me that there is more strategy involved in Halo. Some of you may think I'm crazy, but so be it.

In Halo, smarts come into play so much more. There is just so much you can do once your engaged in battle and so many ways to outsmart your opponent.

In COD4 70% of the game just relies on reaction. No matter what gun you use, when you come face to face with an enemy, its just who can pull the trigger first. I'm not saying there is anything wrong with that, its just a different style. I think they tried to even things out with perks and such. But failed miserable with crap such as martyrdom.

And for whoever said Halo guys suck once they move to COD. I went into my first game of COD the other day and jumped in a free for all game. I didn't know what gun I had, I had never seen the map before and didn't know a thing about tactics in the game. I ended the game in 1st place with 25 kills and 7 deaths. Then continued on to rape level 55's in Team Slayer just because I could pull the trigger faster.

So you see, I beat "good" COD players my first time on. How about all you folks who have never played a game of Halo 3 actually come try it out before you judge. And lets see how your quick reaction time fairs in Halo.

Stop putting words in other peoples mouths. I said that it's funny to watch guys fresh off of Halo 3 because their reaction is to jump when someone shoots at them. This is true of most of the people who come from that game, and it didn't start with Halo. People were doing it as far back as the original Quake. The strategy doesn't work in a game where movement is as slow as Halo, so it certainly doesn't work in CoD4 where you don't have shields to make up for your lack of ability to act intelligently in the way of gunfire. The best CoD4 players use the ability to kneel and go prone to avoid gunfire and grenades. When you can take a "B" flag in Domination on a small map by yourself, then you know you're pretty decent.

Except for the M16, the rest of the weapons are reasonably balanced in CoD4. The larger the weapon, the more it hurts, but the slower you move and the shorter distances you run. The weapons with the largest clips also take the longest time to reload.

It ain't just about reaction. It's also about knowing how to use your weapons. I switch between the AK 47 and the M5. The AK 47 can be fired continuously, but your aim gets worse the longer you hold the trigger. The M5 is strictly a medium to short range weapon which fires continuously, has a small clip, and is best used when shooting from the hip. I don't use my sights at all unless I'm trying to hit someone farther away than I can throw a grenade. I learned how to aim without using the sights

Levels mean nothing in CoD4. A level 55 is a level 55 because he played long enough to get enough points to get to that level. It doesn't mean he's any good. You could play Headquarters long enough with a decent team and get up to level 55 without registering a single kill because of how the points are scored for that game type. The game determines your rank internally based on how you did against other players of the same skill set but doesn't make it public.

To get to level 55 and play level 1s in free for all means you're one of the worst players in the game.

Congrats, you sure showed them.

 

[Twenty]

Stop putting words in other peoples mouths. I said that it's funny to watch guys fresh off of Halo 3 because their reaction is to jump when someone shoots at them. This is true of most of the people who come from that game, and it didn't start with Halo. People were doing it as far back as the original Quake. The strategy doesn't work in a game where movement is as slow as Halo, so it certainly doesn't work in CoD4 where you don't have shields to make up for your lack of ability to act intelligently in the way of gunfire. The best CoD4 players use the ability to kneel and go prone to avoid gunfire and grenades. When you can take a "B" flag in Domination on a small map by yourself, then you know you're pretty decent.

Except for the M16, the rest of the weapons are reasonably balanced in CoD4. The larger the weapon, the more it hurts, but the slower you move and the shorter distances you run. The weapons with the largest clips also take the longest time to reload.

It ain't just about reaction. It's also about knowing how to use your weapons. I switch between the AK 47 and the M5. The AK 47 can be fired continuously, but your aim gets worse the longer you hold the trigger. The M5 is strictly a medium to short range weapon which fires continuously, has a small clip, and is best used when shooting from the hip. I don't use my sights at all unless I'm trying to hit someone farther away than I can throw a grenade. I learned how to aim without using the sights

Levels mean nothing in CoD4. A level 55 is a level 55 because he played long enough to get enough points to get to that level. It doesn't mean he's any good. You could play Headquarters long enough with a decent team and get up to level 55 without registering a single kill because of how the points are scored for that game type. The game determines your rank internally based on how you did against other players of the same skill set but doesn't make it public.

To get to level 55 and play level 1s in free for all means you're one of the worst players in the game.

Congrats, you sure showed them.

Sorry, I'm used to Halo 3 where the matchmaking system actually works and you earn your rank. Instead, in COD (a war SHOOTER), you can reach the highest level and most prestige without ever firing a bullet? Wow, Innovative.

So your telling me the best COD players are good because they can lay on the ground longer than their opponent? If thats the case count me out.

 

[The Mongoose]

majornelson.com. He's the director of programming for xbox live. And note that this is JUST the rankings on Xbox Live, not overall.

I'm familiar with the majornelson site. I was on there yesterday looking for this very info -- which game is the most popular on xbox live.

I couldn't find any recent list.

I was looking because I have a sneaking suspicion. I think that Halo 3 is taking the top spot back. I think the newness of COD4 is wearing off, and people are getting frustrated with spawn killing.

It's just a matter of time really. Once Halo's next map pack comes out, and the more the MLG stuff gets shown on ESPN, kids will flock back to Halo 3.

Halo just has legs. COD4 benefits from being the new thing. But the gameplay isn't as diverse or as solid.

This is my opinion.

 

[antipop]

i think the real reason you guys like halo over COD4 is because halo is exclusive to your precious x-breax

just kidding, of course

 

[The Mongoose]

i think the real reason you guys like halo over COD4 is because halo is exclusive to your precious x-breax

just kidding, of course

Honestly, it is a big part of the reason why I made the switch to Xbox.

Halo is a big deal to me. The guys who make that game know what works. It's fun for just simple mayhem at the less skilled levels, and it's fun for team competition at higher, strategy filled levels. The spawns work. The weapons are balanced. Most importantly, the action is different every game based on the players, so it never really gets old.

That last part is important. It's what made Halo2 the beast it was on xbox live for so long. It's also why a few years from now, massive amounts of people will still be playing Halo 3, while COD4 will be forgotten for the most part.

With this much popularity, criticism is bound to happen. You don't have to look far to see some guy complaining about Halo. Lots of people just like to buck the system. I hate Tiger Woods (the real guy, not the game) for this very reason. But I have to admit how dominant he is. I just don't have to like him.

But despite how popular it is or not, if you evaluate the game on its merit, you have to acknowledge that the game creators "get it." Unless You blow at it so bad that you can't get to the point where you appreciate it.

This is also my opinion.

 

[Twenty]

i think the real reason you guys like halo over COD4 is because halo is exclusive to your precious x-breax

just kidding, of course

Almost.

I play Xbox because its the only system that has Halo.

 

[Webmeistro]

I'm familiar with the majornelson site. I was on there yesterday looking for this very info -- which game is the most popular on xbox live.

I couldn't find any recent list.

I was looking because I have a sneaking suspicion. I think that Halo 3 is taking the top spot back. I think the newness of COD4 is wearing off, and people are getting frustrated with spawn killing.

It's just a matter of time really. Once Halo's next map pack comes out, and the more the MLG stuff gets shown on ESPN, kids will flock back to Halo 3.

Halo just has legs. COD4 benefits from being the new thing. But the gameplay isn't as diverse or as solid.

This is my opinion.

People didn't just stop playing Halo to play CoD4... they traded Halo 3 back in to get CoD4. Everyone I know, even the level 40 and above Halo players, traded theirs in when their friends got CoD4.

And how is CoD4 the "new thing?" Halo 3 came out Sept 25. CoD4 came out Nov 5. CoD4 has been the top game on Live since Jan 14. It surpassed Halo 3 on Jan 14th, lost it for 2 weeks, and then got it back and never lost the lead again. CoD4 is getting a new map pack at the beginning of April. Many people who are playing Vegas now will be right back playing CoD4 when the packs come out.

CoD4 will remain the top game until Unreal Tournament and Battlefield come out. UT has no peer when it comes to deathmatches, and Battlefield has no peer when it comes to squad based battles. One of those will claim the top spot until Gears 2 comes out.

The 360 has so many good shooters coming out that it isn't a matter of long term dominance anymore. Halo 3 is just a game, just like CoD4.

 

[Webmeistro]

Sorry, I'm used to Halo 3 where the matchmaking system actually works and you earn your rank. Instead, in COD (a war SHOOTER), you can reach the highest level and most prestige without ever firing a bullet? Wow, Innovative.

So your telling me the best COD players are good because they can lay on the ground longer than their opponent? If thats the case count me out.

Again:

Players are matched up with other players of similar ability, regardless of their level (which is based on experience points). Levels, as defined in CoD4, are strictly for determining what abilities and weapons you have access to when you spawn. There are no ranked and unranked modes. There's only ranked unless you play a private match. MOST shooters on the 360 will attempt to match you up with players of similar caliber, and most don't have a level system of any sort other than the matchmaking system.

The best CoD players are good because they know how to go into the middle of a firefight and use body position and their reflexes to position themselves so that they are not taking a bunch of bullets and grenades while being able to return fire. I guaran-damn-tee you that if you walk into a match with decent players and you try to take the B flag in Domination on Bloc or Shipment or any of the smaller maps by yourself that you will get your head caved in 3 ways to Sunday regardless of how good you are at Halo, and until you learn to move around on a level, you likely never will capture that flag on your own.

They're different games, they're meant to be played differently. You don't like it? I don't really care, and I bet you feel the same way about my feelings toward Halo.

 

[The Mongoose]

People didn't just stop playing Halo to play CoD4... they traded Halo 3 back in to get CoD4. Everyone I know, even the level 40 and above Halo players, traded theirs in when their friends got CoD4.

And how is CoD4 the "new thing?" Halo 3 came out Sept 25. CoD4 came out Nov 5. CoD4 has been the top game on Live since Jan 14. It surpassed Halo 3 on Jan 14th, lost it for 2 weeks, and then got it back and never lost the lead again. CoD4 is getting a new map pack at the beginning of April. Many people who are playing Vegas now will be right back playing CoD4 when the packs come out.

CoD4 will remain the top game until Unreal Tournament and Battlefield come out. UT has no peer when it comes to deathmatches, and Battlefield has no peer when it comes to squad based battles. One of those will claim the top spot until Gears 2 comes out.

The 360 has so many good shooters coming out that it isn't a matter of long term dominance anymore. Halo 3 is just a game, just like CoD4.

That's a bold statement. But who knows, you may be right.

I personally don't agree, but whatever. I don't see Major League Gaming Top Ten plays on ESPN for those other games, though. Only for Halo. That's kind of a big deal, suggesting that Halo isn't just another game like the ones you listed.

As far as being the new thing, you can't argue that the Halo franchise hasn't been the heavyweight champ of online console games for many years. I think people were just ready for something new -- first it was gears, then it was COD4. I truly believe that Halo 3 will return to being the most played online game when all these maps get released into the matchmaking hoppers. Again, this is my opinion, and I could be wrong. I've played COD4 and don't understand the attraction, so it's possible that I'm way out in left field on this one.

 

[antipop]

lmao....this is better than the 360 vs ps3 bickering.....either way, it's all about personal preference.....


PERSONAL PREFERENCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[rickysfan34]

In COD4 70% of the game just relies on reaction. No matter what gun you use, when you come face to face with an enemy, its just who can pull the trigger first. I'm not saying there is anything wrong with that, its just a different style. I think they tried to even things out with perks and such. But failed miserable with crap such as martyrdom.

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reaction, yes, but also intelligence and awareness.
it's a different game and people who complain about camping dont really get it.The game's shooting for realism. I admit i complained at first but have learned. If you were ever put into a warzone, i seriously doubt the first thing you would think to do is run out in the open and throw sticky grenades on someone.

Basically both game require mental and physical attributes. It's just that one is"ok i can get shot 20 times before before dying, so i better find cover through some teleport(?)".. and the other is "If im SPOTTED, im dead."

 

[The Mongoose]

reaction, yes, but also intelligence and awareness.
it's a different game and people who complain about camping dont really get it.The game's shooting for realism. I admit i complained at first but have learned. If you were ever put into a warzone, i seriously doubt the first thing you would think to do is run out in the open and throw sticky grenades on someone.

Basically both game require mental and physical attributes. It's just that one is"ok i can get shot 20 times before before dying, so i better find cover through some teleport(?)".. and the other is "If im SPOTTED, im dead."

Dude, if I had some sticky grenades and some Mark VI armor, I'd be running out in the open chucking some grenades.

 

[Twenty]

Dude, if I had some sticky grenades and some Mark VI armor, I'd be running out in the open chucking some grenades.

Ditto.

**** goin prone, I'm bulldozing fools.

 

[Webmeistro]

Dude, if I had some sticky grenades and some Mark VI armor, I'd be running out in the open chucking some grenades.

I think I still have a video on my account in Halo 3 where I launched myself from a man cannon and hit a Ghost (or whatever the flying purple ship is) with two sticky grenades while in mid air. It blew up in the air, hit the ground, and blew up again.

Wanna tick someone off in CoD4? Play Domination in Ground War on a medium sized map and equip 6 players on your team with 3 flash bangs and 1 frag grenade, and the other 3 with 1 flash bang and 3 frags. Unless your opponent REALLY knows how to play, they will be completely incapacitated the entire game. For extra laughs, equip yourself with Eavesdrop so you can listen to the other team whine.

When I prestige next time, I'm going to play up through level 55 using only a pistol, knife, and grenades. No big guns unless I'm playing Bloc... then I'll use a sniper.

When I was big into Gears, I used to play a ton with two clans... Infinity and Prophecy. Still have all those guys in my friends list. I didn't know this, but they were ranked #1 and #4 in the world in GoW in 2007.

 

[Webmeistro]

Top 5 for 3/10-3-17:

1. CoD 4
2. Halo 3
3. GH 3
4. Vegas 2
5. Gears of War