Rap: DA returning barring “debacle”, Gayle/Loomis commend him for “holding it together” citing injury excuses (2 Viewers)

[liveoakh]

Expected. You don't pull the plug on a guy 14 wins into 2 years as a HC.

Single digit wins in two years - you make the call
1-3 win season - you likely make the call.
Middle of the road coach and season...back to back years - You wait.

Payton produced back to back mediocre seasons twice and a threefer once, 07-08 and 2014-2016. and Loomis repaid him with patience.

Yea, but Sean flashed in his first yr, and went to the NFCCG. Sean and Drew looked like one of the best offenses in the NFL. Sean gave us reason to believe. DA hasn't flashed anything!!!! He started to lose from get and hasn't really impacted the game in anyway. Loomis had good reason to stick with Sean. We were a power house offense, even when we were losing.

 

[Saint Jack]

Yea, but Sean flashed in his first yr, and went to the NFCCG. Sean and Drew looked like one of the best offenses in the NFL. Sean gave us reason to believe. DA hasn't flashed anything!!!! He started to lose from get and hasn't really impacted the game in anyway. Loomis had good reason to stick with Sean. We were a power house offense, even when we were losing.

Those ‘07-‘08 years were kinda rocky.

 

[Alan12]

I know it's highly unlikely he's fired next Monday and we're going to waste another year "chopping wood", but lets not lie to ourselves hoping that 2024 is the season Dennis Allen will put it all together and shed his terrible career record as a HC and post his first career 10+ win season against a much harder schedule than he had this year. Not happening. He couldn't do it this year, he won't ever do it.

You could literally swap Allen and Kyle Shanahan at the start of this season and I'd bet my life on it that DA would still somehow find a way to screw up that 49ers team and nuke their season.

If I'm Gayle then Loomis makes a decision, either:

A.) Allen gets his walking papers next week and we actually do a comprehensive search for a new HC, or​

B.) Allen is retained and Loomis' wagon now becomes hitched to Allen's based on the results of the 2024 season​

​

Going even further if the choice is the latter, Loomis wouldn't be permitted to touch any additional future assets (salary cap or draft capital wise) without prior permission. Loomis has made this bed cap-wise and it'd finally be time for him to lie in it. You hired Allen after a series of sham interviews and whiffed at nearly every football decision trying to field a winning team and failed. I'm not going to allow you to handicap the new regime's future only to fail this last opportunity. Time to sink or swim.

You hired your friend, now you fire your friend or I fire both of you and y'all can job search together.

Expected. You don't pull the plug on a guy 14 wins into 2 years as a HC.

Single digit wins in two years - you make the call
1-3 win season - you likely make the call.
Middle of the road coach and season...back to back years - You wait.

Payton produced back to back mediocre seasons twice and a threefer once, 07-08 and 2014-2016. and Loomis repaid him with patience.

I agree with that... for a first time HC. Not a retread HC with a career 23-46 record that was 8-28 when you hired him.

As for Payton, he was afforded an extended leash through those 2007 and 2008 seasons not only by advancing to the franchise's first NFC Championship appearance in his first year but also by showing he could field teams that could actually compete with good teams consistently; not just at the end of the season when they're beat up and missing stars.

Payton posted an 8-9 record against teams with winning records those first 3 years. Just during his Saints tenure, Allen is a paltry 2-8 against teams with winning records (2-17 for his career). In 3 years, Payton won 4x's the number of games against winning teams than Allen has in ~4.25 seasons. Tells you everything you need to know. If it takes an extra season and a quarter to only post 1/4th of those wins as your predecessor did then why should you wait? What could he possibly show you differently that proves he's the guy?

Allen's lone wins came against a 13-2 Eagles team with their backup QB starting and an 8-7 Buccaneers team we beat today that isn't much better than our dumpster fire. He's 2-17 against teams above .500 in his career, he is what his record says he is. Terrible.

Allen isn't a "middle of the road" HC, he's an "off the road, careening off a cliff into a lake of fire" HC that has done nothing as a HC (here or period) that is deserving of patience.

 

[dtc]

While DA is not respected amongst fans, he is respected in both the front office and the locker room. The players are playing hard for him and have not quit. The problem is schematic. PC is a great play designer but he is a poor playcaller. If we are keeping DA it would be best to replace the entire offensive staff.

The full back draw in the 4th quarter was outstanding.

 

[liveoakh]

I know it's highly unlikely he's fired next Monday and we're going to waste another year "chopping wood", but lets not lie to ourselves hoping that 2024 is the season Dennis Allen will put it all together and shed his terrible career record as a HC and post his first career 10+ win season against a much harder schedule than he had this year. Not happening. He couldn't do it this year, he won't ever do it.

You could literally swap Allen and Kyle Shanahan at the start of this season and I'd bet my life on it that DA would still somehow find a way to screw up that 49ers team and nuke their season.

If I'm Gayle then Loomis makes a decision, either:

A.) Allen gets his walking papers next week and we actually do a comprehensive search for a new HC, or​

B.) Allen is retained and Loomis' wagon now becomes hitched to Allen's based on the results of the 2024 season​

​

Going even further if the choice is the latter, Loomis wouldn't be permitted to touch any additional future assets (salary cap or draft capital wise) without prior permission. Loomis has made this bed cap-wise and it'd finally be time for him to lie in it. You hired Allen after a series of sham interviews and whiffed at nearly every football decision trying to field a winning team and failed. I'm not going to allow you to handicap the new regime's future only to fail this last opportunity. Time to sink or swim.

You hired your friend, now you fire your friend or I fire both of you and y'all can job search together.


I agree with that... for a first time HC. Not a retread HC with a career 23-46 record that was 8-28 when you hired him.

As for Payton, he was afforded an extended leash through those 2007 and 2008 seasons not only by advancing to the franchise's first NFC Championship appearance in his first year but also by showing he could field teams that could actually compete with good teams consistently; not just at the end of the season when they're beat up and missing stars.

Payton posted an 8-9 record against teams with winning records those first 3 years. Just during his Saints tenure, Allen is a paltry 2-8 against teams with winning records (2-17 for his career). In 3 years, Payton won 4x's the number of games against winning teams than Allen has in ~4.25 seasons. Tells you everything you need to know. If it takes an extra season and a quarter to only post 1/4th of those wins as your predecessor did then why should you wait? What could he possibly show you differently that proves he's the guy?

Allen's lone wins came against a 13-2 Eagles team with their backup QB starting and an 8-7 Buccaneers team we beat today that isn't much better than our dumpster fire. He's 2-17 against teams above .500 in his career, he is what his record says he is. Terrible.

Allen isn't a "middle of the road" HC, he's an "off the road, careening off a cliff into a lake of fire" HC that has done nothing as a HC (here or period) that is deserving of patience.

DA has the lowest win/loss (.324%) of any active head coach. DA is the 15th lowest HC in win/loss All Time!!!!

Just to put it into perspective. DA would have to go undefeated for 2 seasons, just to be above .500.

 

[OldTimeGamer1966]

This is the new standard for your New Orleans Saints. It only took two years for DA to torch what Sean/Drew built to the ground, and our management believes he’s earned another shot despite not reaching a single goal and failing to win the worst division in football while playing the leagues easiest schedule. Dark times ahead.

At this point what you really hope happens is that we win next week things go our way and we end up making the playoffs.

If that were to happen, you can only hope that DA gets some confidence, and it carries over to next season. Hopefully he improves and next season is better by leaps and bounds and he is worth extending for a couple of more years.

Can it or will it happen that remains to be seen but starting over from scratch isn't easy either and I would rather have hope that DA has everything click for him and can move forward.

 

[OldTimeGamer1966]

I guess the Saints will go back to being the loveable losers. I can't stop loving the Saints. Its just sad with so much wasted talent because of bad coaching.
I hope for young men the AT Perry this gets fixed soon!

Yeah you get to the point of no return as far as ever thinking of pulling for another team. Hopefully it's just as small pause but it is so hard to build sustain a winning franchise over many decades.

Whether you hate the 49ers or not you have to appreciate what they have done and I hope the Saints pause is just like theirs was.

 

[mr.t]

Injuries? Hasn't our front seven been incredibly healthy minus Turner which no one was surprised about? O-line too, the only shuffling for most of the season was due to Penning not being NFL ready. Heck this team has been pretty healthy for the most part.

They're just looking for any excuse to keep him.

We have had many injuries
Just like every other team.

 

[nakadish]

I know it's highly unlikely he's fired next Monday and we're going to waste another year "chopping wood", but lets not lie to ourselves hoping that 2024 is the season Dennis Allen will put it all together and shed his terrible career record as a HC and post his first career 10+ win season against a much harder schedule than he had this year. Not happening. He couldn't do it this year, he won't ever do it.

You could literally swap Allen and Kyle Shanahan at the start of this season and I'd bet my life on it that DA would still somehow find a way to screw up that 49ers team and nuke their season.

If I'm Gayle then Loomis makes a decision, either:

A.) Allen gets his walking papers next week and we actually do a comprehensive search for a new HC, or​

B.) Allen is retained and Loomis' wagon now becomes hitched to Allen's based on the results of the 2024 season​

​

Going even further if the choice is the latter, Loomis wouldn't be permitted to touch any additional future assets (salary cap or draft capital wise) without prior permission. Loomis has made this bed cap-wise and it'd finally be time for him to lie in it. You hired Allen after a series of sham interviews and whiffed at nearly every football decision trying to field a winning team and failed. I'm not going to allow you to handicap the new regime's future only to fail this last opportunity. Time to sink or swim.

You hired your friend, now you fire your friend or I fire both of you and y'all can job search together.


I agree with that... for a first time HC. Not a retread HC with a career 23-46 record that was 8-28 when you hired him.

As for Payton, he was afforded an extended leash through those 2007 and 2008 seasons not only by advancing to the franchise's first NFC Championship appearance in his first year but also by showing he could field teams that could actually compete with good teams consistently; not just at the end of the season when they're beat up and missing stars.

Payton posted an 8-9 record against teams with winning records those first 3 years. Just during his Saints tenure, Allen is a paltry 2-8 against teams with winning records (2-17 for his career). In 3 years, Payton won 4x's the number of games against winning teams than Allen has in ~4.25 seasons. Tells you everything you need to know. If it takes an extra season and a quarter to only post 1/4th of those wins as your predecessor did then why should you wait? What could he possibly show you differently that proves he's the guy?

Allen's lone wins came against a 13-2 Eagles team with their backup QB starting and an 8-7 Buccaneers team we beat today that isn't much better than our dumpster fire. He's 2-17 against teams above .500 in his career, he is what his record says he is. Terrible.

Allen isn't a "middle of the road" HC, he's an "off the road, careening off a cliff into a lake of fire" HC that has done nothing as a HC (here or period) that is deserving of patience.

I'm hoping.

 

[Rexman100]

This “could” be simply an acknowledgment that no decent coach will come here in 24 with our cap space challenges and over the hill roster. She might as well publicly support the guy if it is inevitable that he comes back in 24.

The optimist in me wants to believe there is a plan to bring in a fresh staff and revamped roster in 2025. Of course, it will get very ugly in 2024, especially on SR.

This isn’t true, there are only 32 NFL HC jobs in the world. There will always have qualified available candidates wanting to coach an NFL team. Not only that, it pays pretty good too.

 

[Clintonrebel]

This isn’t true, there are only 32 NFL HC jobs in the world. There will always have qualified available candidates wanting to coach an NFL team. Not only that, it pays pretty good too.

But I don't want available, or even qualified. I want an up and coming ball of fire with new ideas and energy. We are not where somebody like that wants to be right now.

 

[4EveraSaint]

“Barring “debacle””
It’s BEEN a “debacle”.

 

[Rexman100]

But I don't want available, or even qualified. I want an up and coming ball of fire with new ideas and energy. We are not where somebody like that wants to be right now.

Not true, there are 32 offensive coordinators thats sole purpose in life is to be a head coach. The entire NFL is 7-8 - 8-8 right now except a few teams. The great Chiefs almost lost today and would’ve been 9-7. One game better than us. The Bengals are tied with us after today at 8-8. We beat the Colts and they are tied with Jax a team we should’ve beaten at 9-7. One game better. Technically we’re in the top 1/3 of the league (or so) record wise. And the games we lost, at least two we couldve won.

 

[BBarnes]

The worst he can finish is .442 after his first two seasons. It’s not insane to keep him, as unpopular as he may be here. The team is still playing to win week after week.

Yes, bc of the relationships he built as the DC.

It’s obvious the players know we have a major coaching issue.

If we are keeping him they have to revamp the entire offensive staff and have DA stay out of it. Otherwise we will be lucky to win 5 games next year with that schedule

 

[meily]

He has to fix the offense, but there is something to be said for the fact though talented he's coached two .500 teams with issues on offense, so I can see why he would be brought back for year three, but that offensive coaching staff needs a face lift, they need a new leader and philosophy on the offensive side of the ball because the talent is there.