Report: Vrabel's OC could be McDaniels [mod edit] (8 Viewers)

[BoNcHiE]

He also was extremely lucky with one of the most loaded QB drafts in a long, long time...

And he got the 6th best one who everyone thought would be trash (and was trash for the first month).

It's not like he was handed a #1 pick at QB.

The 2026 QB draft will also be much better than 2025.

 

[SystemShock]

2008: 11-5 season with freaking Matt Cassell
2021: 10-7 playoff season with rookie Mac Jones and Damien Harris leading a top 10 scoring offense
2022: #12 scoring offense in the NFL and one of Carr's most productive seasons in the NFL

2008 was 16 years ago.

Top #10 sounds good, but then there are only 32 teams in the NFL.

2021, not bad, not great either... but #11 according to NFL.com/stats.

2022 NFL offense scoring stats by Team | NFL.com

2022 #12 not bad, not great either.

Are we going to ignore 2023?

 

[SigFreudianSlip]

There’s no guarantee that the other HC candidates will want to keep Carr either. Particularly Kingsbury, when you look at the history of the QB types that they’ve worked with.

It seems more likely that Carr will remain as its easier on the cap. But still possible the team would move on if a HC candidate wants a different QB under center to start their tenure.

Personally have zero problem if the team moves on from him now, or he stays another season. I think that it will be a tank next season whether they’re intending for it to be or not.

For the first time since Sean left, I’m cautiously optimistic and excited for the future.

 

[SigFreudianSlip]

He didn't agree to a trade last time with the Raiders. Carr will not give up any money or control. He would probably require the team to release him in that situation.

Bye.

 

[SWJJ]

Who said that he was a "star?" I said that most QBs that you believe are stars benefits from the exact same thing that tried to use as a knock against Jones. Again, if we are being honest, the top teams in the NFL are led by game managers with a top tier defense and/or run game.

The post you quoted of mine was a rebuttal that Mac Jones was a star in McDaniels' offense.

 

[jahsoul357]

2008 was 16 years ago.

Top #10 sounds good, but then there are only 32 teams in the NFL.

2021, not bad, not great either... but #11 according to NFL.com/stats.

2022 NFL offense scoring stats by Team | NFL.com

2022 #12 not bad, not great either.

Are we going to ignore 2023?

If we bring up 2023, we would have to bring up the fact that Jimmy G flat out sucked. If anything, that's where he screwed up. I guess he didn't realize that like others, Shanahan's system covers a multitude of sins..

The post you quoted of mine was a rebuttal that Mac Jones was a star in McDaniels' offense.

If McDaniels didn't leave for the Raiders, we would be looking at Mac Jones totally different. He was a rookie; what were we expecting? I won't say that he was a star but that was a good foundation to build on, but to just be like "game manager" when every QB whose team is in the playoff is a game manager is the take that I was speaking more to. These QBs are running the system and normally have a top 10 defense and a top tier run game...lol.

 

[MikeyF]

And he got the 6th best one who everyone thought would be trash (and was trash for the first month).

It's not like he was handed a #1 pick at QB.

The 2026 QB draft will also be much better than 2025.

He was the 12th pick in the draft. I don't think everyone thought he would be trash...

6 QB's taken within the first 12 picks...

2024 NFL Draft: Six quarterbacks taken in the top 12, setting draft record | FOX Sports

Six quarterbacks have been taken in the first 12 picks of this year's NFL Draft, tying a draft record. Here's where each player landed.

www.foxsports.com

 

[texasjefe]

I don't sense there's any brewing conflict between Carr and the Saints.

Carr did not create the immense cap pressure the Saints have, so he is fine saying he's sticking to the number they agreed to. That may have been a boundary his agent wanted set now. The two sides will have to talk soon about how to deadcap finance this deal to squiggle QB1 into the 2025 cap.

I would be so shocked if Carr were released. We know his trajectories and limits, and it's worth having him there regardless of whether he's starting or not.

 

[SystemShock]

If we bring up 2023, we would have to bring up the fact that Jimmy G flat out sucked.

So it was Garappolo's fault for sucking... nothing to do with the system, which was called "outdated" by Raiders beat writers and fans... ok.. What happened with the magic from 2008?

If McDaniels didn't leave for the Raiders, we would be looking at Mac Jones totally different.

That's neither here nor there.

He was a rookie; what were we expecting? I won't say that he was a star but that was a good foundation to build on, but to just be like "game manager" when every QB whose team is in the playoff is a game manager is the take that I was speaking more to. These QBs are running the system and normally have a top 10 defense and a top tier run game...lol.

Ok?

 

[BoNcHiE]

He was the 12th pick in the draft. I don't think everyone thought he would be trash...

6 QB's taken within the first 12 picks...

2024 NFL Draft: Six quarterbacks taken in the top 12, setting draft record | FOX Sports

Six quarterbacks have been taken in the first 12 picks of this year's NFL Draft, tying a draft record. Here's where each player landed.

www.foxsports.com

Yes, he was the 6th QB taken and many said it was a big reach.

NFL.com, PFF, Walterfootball, all had him with a second round grade. Pete Prisco called the pick “desperation.”

But the point is that Payton didn’t have the #1 pick and a slam dunk QB when he selected Nix. We are picking 9th this year. We could easily be picking at least 12th in 2026 and take a QB prospect as good as Nix.

 

[jahsoul357]

So it was Garappolo's fault for sucking... nothing to do with the system, which was called "outdated" by Raiders beat writers and fans... ok.. What happened with the magic from 2008?

Systems are only "outdated" but we have more athletes than can throw than QBs...lol. That system won 7 Super Bowls, with the last being in 2020 (IYKYK). Modern offenses are really those that require less of the QB, but that's another conversation.
Plus, Garappolo has always been propped up by his supporting cast.

That's neither here nor there

In terms of Mac Jones, this actually matters. The 2022 Patriots would have been better, as opposed to what we saw with the Joe Judge/Matt Patricia Power Team. Which goes back to the point that Josh McDaniels is a great offensive coordinator. Dismissing what he has done because he has worked with Brady most of his career makes no sense, especially with him having success outside of Brady. His issue was never X&Os; his issue is he comes from the Bill Belichick coaching tree, which saw one of the greatest QBs in the NFL get chewed out in front of the entire team like he was a scrub and who asked to be coached hard. That doesn't fly in most places, especially in today's NFL.

Ok?