Saints at the top of Davante Adams’ wish list [Raiders trade Adams to Jets for conditional 3rd ; Jets paying Adams’ entire remaining salary] (5 Viewers)

[DSnfla]

Absolutely. The center and the RT are turnstiles. You put someone on the QB's face, no matter of it is Jerry Rice/Cris Carter/Randy Moss out there.

And the Eagles didn't stack the box. One player, Jaylen Carter, wrecked the interior of the line all game.

When are you people going to realize that MCoy going out against Philly changed OUR WHOLE OL. No McCoy , No big game for Carter

 

[SystemShock]

When are you people going to realize that MCoy going out against Philly changed OUR WHOLE OL. No McCoy , No big game for Carter

Like we didn't notice or something? You think you are the only one who noticed this? I don't want to speak for everyone, but I feel certain we all noticed that when McCoy went out, Jaylen Carter played most of his minutes in the Saints backfield.

 

[DSnfla]

Saints are tied at 10th in NFL in sacks. 2 sacks away from being t-4th in the NFL. Pass rush has been very good. They’ve consistently wreaked havoc on QBs every week to this point. They’ve made crucial sacks on key 3rd downs each week against Prescott, Hurts & Cousins. Thats without Chase Young filling up the stat sheet in sacks yet but he has a ton of pressures. Carl, Chase and Payton Turner are a very talented group of 3 DEs. They won’t trade for another pass rusher while 2 of those 3 are active to go with Cam’s snaps.

The OL is good enough for a winning team. I’d say the scheme has them looking above average. With a healthy Ruiz, there’s confidence in the interior OL going into each week until McCoy comes back. Some games may be up and down against talented D-Lines but that doesn’t mean the OL unit is terrible imo.

Teams aren’t readily trading away starting level OL and DL. A starting level lineman won’t become another team’s depth unless multiple starters are missing extended time or the units have poor play. Saints have neither circumstances. The trenches is where the coaching staff coaches up in scheme and technique like they were able to with Lemieux and Landon Young in Week 4. The DL already has depth at edge.

An OL is a bigger “need” than WR but we aren’t finding an OL who matches the caliber of Adams as a WR. Whenever Olave or Shaheed goes down, the pass offense goes down with them and becomes very shaky in options to throw to. Thats where Adams comes into play to provide another surefire reliable target in every part of the field. Have to take the opportunity to get a player like Adams when its there if the cap structure is able to come together for the deal.

One of the few times I disagree with you, Pass rush was good the 1st 2 wks because Taylor had 3 sacks . Our pass rush last week was awful except for that Turner sack, Cousins had all day to throw

 

[DSnfla]

Like we didn't notice or something? You think you are the only one who noticed this? I don't want to speak for everyone, but I feel certain we all noticed that when McCoy went out, Jaylen Carter played most of his minutes in the Saints backfield.

That's the reason Carter was such a force and no reason to condemn the whole OL. The OL was very good the 1st 2 wks and didn't play that badly last wk. Saying that we need OL help is not a reason to pass up on an all-pro WR which is very much a position of need

 

[DSnfla]

I did.

Whether there is an available player in a position of need or not is irrelevant.

What's relevant, a "top 5 WR" (again, top 5 in what?) is not going to improve anything if the QB doesn't see him because 2 players who blew past the center are running straight at him and he's running for his life, and a primarily running team can't run the ball.

LOL we had 131 yards rushing against ATL @ 5.2 yds per rush , I guess we can't run the ball.

 

[DSnfla]

I am very much addressing the point, you just don't want to hear it.


How? Tell me how does Adams make the team better?

That you have to even ask that question makes me discount everything you say SMH

 

[DSnfla]

If we do trade for Davante Adams we are going to need to come up with different shorthand for him other than DA.

Tae is what he's known by

 

[SystemShock]

That's the reason Carter was such a force and no reason to condemn the whole OL. The OL was very good the 1st 2 wks and didn't play that badly last wk. Saying that we need OL help is not a reason to pass up on an all-pro WR which is very much a position of need

Yeah, again, we all know the reason why Carter was such a force. And we also know that McCoy is not going to be playing for at least another 5-7 weeks (according to reports).

The oline was very good the frist 2 weeks, then they weren't. So was the entire offense and the WRs. Wonder what changed?

WR is not a position of need. Who wins popularity contests among sorts writers is irrelevant to me.

 

[SystemShock]

That you have to even ask that question makes me discount everything you say SMH

Spoken like someone who doesn't have an actual answer.
Thank you for playing.

 

[DSnfla]

Would Davante rather play for a younger quarterback in Derek Carr? Or an older quarterback in Aaron Rodgers?

Not only is DC here but Keith Williams is our WR coach , He recruited him at Fresno St. and is like a 2nd father to Adams

 

[SonOfNOLA]

One of the few times I disagree with you, Pass rush was good the 1st 2 wks because Taylor had 3 sacks . Our pass rush last week was awful except for that Turner sack, Cousins had all day to throw

Yeah Taylor got many of his 3.5 sacks from the pressures of Grand and Young. He recorded the .5 with Granderson. The attention that the DL were getting freed up lanes for Taylor to blitz the QB. Granderson and Bresee also have 3 sacks a piece. Granderson is still 3rd in the league in pressures. Young is t-10th at 18, 1 pressure less than Chris Jones and Bosa, who both have the same amount of sacks as Granderson. Bresee is t-2nd in sacks amongst NFL DTs.

1 game of minimal pass rush in 4 games isn’t enough for concern to me. Way too premature to think they need to trade for a pass rusher as soon as a bad game happens after 3 great games for the DL. They won’t be able to add another good DL until the draft. They have pass rushers talented enough to produce big #s this season. Just need to improve or continue producing. An underperformance-average game happens a few times in the season for any talented NFL D-Line.

 

[DSnfla]

Yeah, again, we all know the reason why Carter was such a force. And we also know that McCoy is not going to be playing for at least another 5-7 weeks (according to reports).

The oline was very good the frist 2 weeks, then they weren't. So was the entire offense and the WRs. Wonder what changed?

WR is not a position of need. Who wins popularity contests among sorts writers is irrelevant to me.

SMH I doubt we see Jalen Carter before McCoy comes back. AND it's not only that we lost McCoy against Philly it reshuffled our whole OL. Mike Detillier wrote an article on how when the C goes out in mid game that team loses 70% of the time.
WR NOT A POSITION OF NEED?????? I'm sorry I can't take you serious now

 

[SystemShock]

SMH I doubt we see Jalen Carter before McCoy comes back. AND it's not only that we lost McCoy against Philly it reshuffled our whole OL. Mike Detillier wrote an article on how when the C goes out in mid game that team loses 70% of the time.
WR NOT A POSITION OF NEED?????? I'm sorry I can't take you serious now

OH NO! Anything, but please, please not the "I can't take you seriously" treatment. I am truly heart broken.

 

[St. Widge]

When are you people going to realize that MCoy going out against Philly changed OUR WHOLE OL. No McCoy , No big game for Carter

Everyone realizes that. But McCoy likely won't be back for 7 weeks and who knows if he will be back by then or when he will be healthy enough to return to the form he had when he got hurt.

 

[DSnfla]

Yeah Taylor got many of his 3.5 sacks from the pressures of Grand and Young. He recorded the .5 with Granderson. The attention that the DL were getting freed up lanes for Taylor to blitz the QB. Granderson and Bresee also have 3 sacks a piece. Granderson is still 3rd in the league in pressures. Young is t-10th at 18, 1 pressure less than Chris Jones and Bosa, who both have the same amount of sacks as Granderson. Bresee is t-2nd in sacks among NFL DTs.

1 game of no pass rush out of 4 isn’t enough for concern to me. Way too premature to think they need to trade for a pass rusher as soon as a bad game happens after 3 great games for the DL. They won’t be able to add a good DL until the draft. They have pass rushers talented enough to produce big #s this season. Just need to improve or continue producing. An underperformance-average game happens a few times in the season for any talented NFL D-Line.

I'm not saying trade for a pass rusher, there's not one out there anyway. But we could not get any pressure on Cousins against a patchwork OL

We are on the same page...but I just wanted to say let's not forget that this is a trade situation, and Adams does not have a no trade clause, so it may not be up to him.

In fact, it is one of my fears...that Vegas will trade him to somewhere like Carolina, just to be petty, especially with the whole Antonio Pierce "post liking" situation in the background of this.

Yeah but what he does have is a desire or not to re-negotiate the last 2 yrs on his contract which are pretty up there