Saints expected to be very interested in former Packers/Cowboys HC Mike McCarthy [McCarthy will interview early next week] (33 Viewers)

[lilvipa221]

I don’t understand why some people expect coaches to win every single year, endlessly. It truly is a “Dynasty or bust” mentality.

Even in our most revered Golden Era of our franchise, with a HOF QB and a HOF HC, we saw several losing seasons.

McCarthy isn’t perfect, but he gets results. He wins MOST of the time. If your expectation with this hire is Chiefs Andy Reid type results, then you’re setting yourself up for disappointment.

It's not super bowl or bust but I think people are overrating Mccarthy based on the fact that most of his success happened with Aaron Rodgers 12 years ago.

Mccarthy had one of the most talented rosters in the league with Dallas the last 3-4 years and has underachieved. He is not coming to the Saints with the same talent he had in Dallas so he won't just come in here and win 12 games like people are saying he will do. This is not a 12 win team currently.

 

[Boy_of_wonder75]

Liam Coen. This man lost Mike Evans for 5 games and Chris Godwin for majority of the season and he put together an explosive offense and a career year with Baker Mayfield. Give me the guy who took an average player and elevated him.

Sounds like a good coordinator. What about that will make him a good head coach?

 

[Rouxble]

It's not super bowl or bust but I think people are overrating Mccarthy based on the fact that most of his success happened with Aaron Rodgers 12 years ago.

Mccarthy had one of the most talented rosters in the league with Dallas the last 3-4 years and has underachieved. He is not coming to the Saints with the same talent he had in Dallas so he won't just come in here and win 12 games like people are saying he will do. This is not a 12 win team currently.

There is no coach in the league that is good enough if 12-5 for three consecutive seasons when Dak played at least 12 games isn't considered a success.

 

[Rouxble]

Fun fact for all those who say McCarthy was a loser in Dallas. From 2021-2023, only TWO teams had at least 36 wins, the Cowboys and Chiefs.

Sure, the Chiefs won it all, but somehow the Cowboys underachieved when no other team could win 36 out of 51 games over that span.

 

[SweetT]

You said that ML said DA WAS Chuck Knoll. ML said was

"Mickey Loomis on keeping HC Dennis Allen: “Chuck Noll his first three years: 1-13, 5-9, 6-8. They recognized he's a good football coach. Bill Belichick, his first three years: 6-10, 7-9, 7-9. Tom Landry: 0-11, 4-9, 5-8, 4-10, 5-8. All of them Hall of Fame coaches. The easy thing is to blame them.”​

The meaning of this statement was if Knoll , Belichick and Landry were fired in the 1st few yrs of being a HC then those teams would have missed out on a HOF HC. In fact Cleveland DID.

NOWHERE did ML say that DA was Chuck Knoll . You read what you wanted to read. And don't go accusing me of taking up for DA , he needed to be fired but your hatred of ML is blinding you from what he meant

Yeah and if we were to fire DA, then we were potentially missing out on a great HC or HOF coach. “They recognized a good coach”. DA was not a good coach, so what the heck was he trying to say? A whole bunch of gibberish. No one, including ML should’ve made an asinine statement like that. Maybe if he would’ve not used cue cards from his back pocket, he could’ve landed his execution on the attempt. It was a ridiculous comment then and it gets more laughable by the day. Plus, I don’t hate ML, I’ve been one of his biggest supporters of all time, but I’m done defending him. No hate, just can’t back his decisions.

 

[3ParStillDriver]

Fun fact for all those who say McCarthy was a loser in Dallas. From 2021-2023, only TWO teams had at least 36 wins, the Cowboys and Chiefs.

Sure, the Chiefs won it all, but somehow the Cowboys underachieved when no other team could win 36 out of 54 games over that span.

Again, people love to take away the context and point to numbers. The Chiefs consistently won when it mattered. The Cowboys rarely did. The Cowboys during that time commonly lost to playoff teams and beat teams who couldn't make the playoffs. I'm not going to pretend thats good, and I haven't any desire to settle for a coach who can only win during the season as long as they're not playing against playoff teams. This is exactly why McCarthy was fired, again.

 

[DavidM]

Yeah and if we were to fire DA, then we were potentially missing out on a great HC or HOF coach. No one, including ML should’ve made an asinine statement like that. Maybe if he would’ve not used cue cards from his back pocket, he could’ve landed his execution on the attempt. It was a ridiculous comment then and it gets more laughable by the day. Plus, I don’t hate ML, I’ve been one of his biggest supporters of all time, but I’m done defending him. No hate, just can’t back his decisions.

It still isn’t true that Loomis said Allen was “the next Chuck Noll.” He was citing examples of when patience paid off. It’s understood that he and the team had confidence in Allen. It didn’t work out and the team is moving on.

 

[DavidM]

This is exactly why McCarthy was fired, again.

This continues to be incorrect. It’s widely reported the two sides had talks to work out an extension and couldn’t reach an agreement, so his contract wasn’t renewed. A team doesn’t negotiate with a coach they don’t have some interest in retaining.

 

[bigdaddysaints]

Comparing Reid and Mccarthy is silly because Mahomes is the difference here and if Reid didnt have Mahomes then nobody would even be talking about Reid.

If you tell me that we get Mahomes and Mccarthy everyone would be singing super bowl songs.

But the reality is Mccarthy would be inheriting a worse roster and to be frank front office than what he had in Dallas with the Saints.

The general consensus among media, even Saints fans laughed at the cowboys over the last few years because they underachieved in the playoffs. Now we want the guy that was the leader in that. The Cowboys had way more talent during Mccarthys regime than to just win 1 playoff games in 4 attempts.

Mccarthy since 2017 is 1-3 in the playoffs. You have to back 8 years before you see any significant success Mccarthy has had in the playoffs.

i've asked this question many times in this thread and no one will answer.
name ONE coach in Dallas after Jimmy Johnson that didn't underacheive with very good teams in Dallas?
there is one common demoninator, and its Jerry Jones. a coach hads ZERO control over players, coaches, and other personel. If the league would let an owner coach, Jones would be on the sidelines... i don't blame coaches for trying.
I can't wait for Dion Sanders to be the coach of Dallas. Sanders will have the balls to tell Jones how it is, but i don't expect Sanders to be there very long because of it.

 

[DaveXA]

Comparing Reid and Mccarthy is silly because Mahomes is the difference here and if Reid didnt have Mahomes then nobody would even be talking about Reid.

If you tell me that we get Mahomes and Mccarthy everyone would be singing super bowl songs.

But the reality is Mccarthy would be inheriting a worse roster and to be frank front office than what he had in Dallas with the Saints.

The general consensus among media, even Saints fans laughed at the cowboys over the last few years because they underachieved in the playoffs. Now we want the guy that was the leader in that. The Cowboys had way more talent during Mccarthys regime than to just win 1 playoff games in 4 attempts.

Mccarthy since 2017 is 1-3 in the playoffs. You have to back 8 years before you see any significant success Mccarthy has had in the playoffs.

Sure, I would just add that Dak has not played well in those playoff games. He seems to really wilt in those big games.

Also, their defense wasn't very good either in the playoffs.

That said, yeah, McCarthy has struggled to get it done in the playoffs with the Cowboys, but that's how it goes sometimes. I'd be happy winning the division regularly tho and hopefully have more playoff success.

Regardless, any of the top 3 choices I have would be a million times better than Allen.

 

[SweetT]

It still isn’t true that Loomis said Allen was “the next Chuck Noll.” He was citing examples of when patience paid off. It’s understood that he and the team had confidence in Allen. It didn’t work out and the team is moving on.

What ML did not tell people that Knoll inherited a bad team, so he progressed as a HC.
Tom Landry was the first ever HC of the Cowboys expansion team. So there was no expectations.
So, those guys didn’t inherit a team, with their own ready made defense (like DA did), or anything.
It was an absurd thing to say.

 

[Elvis]

We just fired a retread, so let's try one more time. Mick will probably go the perceived safe choice but I wouldn't be surprised. I don't trust him and this probably won't end well.

Not all retread head coaches are built the same. DA coached to 26 total victories which is good for 180th all time. Mike McCarthy has 174 which is third amongst current head coaches and 13th all time. DA never coached a double digit wins team. Mike McCarthy 11 different time on two different teams.

 

[DavidM]

What ML did not tell people that Knoll inherited a bad team, so he progressed as a HC.
Tom Landry was the first ever HC of the Cowboys expansion team. So there was no expectations.
So, those guys didn’t inherit a team, with their own ready made defense (like DA did), or anything.
It was an absurd thing

The team made a decision to hire Allen and then reiterated their confidence. I’m not sure of the timing of the comment, but Allen did have the team on an upward trajectory from season 1 to season 2, even though they failed to meet expectations. I can understand why they felt like this could trend in the direction we were all hoping for. Then the team looked like world beaters through the first two weeks of this season and I think pretty much everybody was hoping we were really turning a corner. Alas.

It didn’t work out and that’s disappointing. There is plenty to criticize and second guess without twisting throw-away lines, IMO.

 

[HouseCall]

The team made a decision to hire Allen and then reiterated their confidence. I’m not sure of the timing of the comment, but Allen did have the team on an upward trajectory from season 1 to season 2, even though they failed to meet expectations. I can understand why they felt like this could trend in the direction we were all hoping for. Then the team looked like world beaters through the first two weeks of this season and I think pretty much everybody was hoping we were really turning a corner. Alas.

It didn’t work out and that’s disappointing. There is plenty to criticize and second guess without twisting throw-away lines, IMO.

I always said relative to the Allen hate, that I’d only ever judge him if it seemed he wasn’t attempting to fix the team’s issues.

Allen tried to do what was right. He brought in a veteran QB, the changed the coordinators, he brought in Gruden to consult - he made an effort to adapt and change but at the end of the day, he just wasn’t good enough to lead an entire team. Very good defensive coordinator, but bad head coach. It happens.

That’s why part of me is interested in Glenn, despite my desire for offensive innovation. I want to see what he can do with HC job.

 

[Belfast Saint]

I always said relative to the Allen hate, that I’d only ever judge him if it seemed he wasn’t attempting to fix the team’s issues.

Allen tried to do what was right. He brought in a veteran QB, the changed the coordinators, he brought in Gruden to consult - he made an effort to adapt and change but at the end of the day, he just wasn’t good enough to lead an entire team. Very good defensive coordinator, but bad head coach. It happens.

That’s why part of me is interested in Glenn, despite my desire for offensive innovation. I want to see what he can do with HC job.

And you could argue, whatever his faults, DA might have been more successful had the team not been repeatedly crushed by key injuries. Perhaps those injuries were 'self-inflicted' but that's difficult to really establish without any doubt.

But he was given time, and it didn't work and I think that was his final chance as HC (probably).