Saints expected to be very interested in former Packers/Cowboys HC Mike McCarthy [Rapoport: Interview to be early next week] (189 Viewers)

[DSnfla]

Reid didn't win a ring in Philly, and no other Superbowl coach has gone somewhere else and won one.

Maybe it's because when a HC wins a SB and more so when they win a couple they stay with that team quite a few yrs. Quite a few retire. But there have been a few that have won with a team and made it back with another

 

[DSnfla]

What do you think that means? It's a completely irrelevant fact. Would you not have hired Payton if you were Denver?

At some point no QB had won a Super Bowl on two different teams, no team had won a Super Bowl as a Wild Card, nobody had landed on the moon, climbed Mount Everest, etc. But they all got done at some point.

It's like one of those super specific stats like no left handed hitter ever hit a HR while batting RH in Boston in the 9th on a Sunday afternoon in Oct.

 

[DSnfla]

That's fine. Sniffs brought Reid into the discussion I think comparing Reid in Philly to McCarthy in Dallas. Something something.

I'm just not into picking up our next coach from the dumpster behind The Star.

Loomis took a chance on a young offensive coordinator in 2006, and I'd like that to happen again. I think you have said similar in your catalog of recent posts.

How about comparing Reid before Mahomes to McCarthy? McCarthy was a better candidate than Reid , Reid had not won a SB

 

[DSnfla]

What a short memory some of you have. Do y’all not remember when he was our OC in the Haslett regime? If so you remember the complete collapse of Aaron Brooks and the year that McCarthy refused to bench Brooks when all we needed was to win 1 game of our final 3 but McCarthy and his arrogance would not put Jake Delhomme in or start any of those games. When we got to the final game of the season it was the last chance and he still would not start or put Delhomme in the game. Before anybody says “well obviously he wasn’t ready” the very next year Delhomme takes Carolina to the Superbowl!! You really want someone who made these kind of decision mistakes to be our HC? No way!

SMH. Do you not understand , it's the HC NOT the OC that makes a QB change ?????? Really ????

 

[English]

Better coach Dan Quinn or Mike McCarthy ?

The same way I knew the Saints would regret hiring Denise Allen not having Mike already signed and working on next season will be looked back upon as a a huge mistake.

 

[DSnfla]

I don't mind people preferring a different candidate.

But don't give lazy arguments of mccarthy won't have success. Or a retread line like that means anything then offer a kingsburry suggestion. Don't sit here and pretend like candidate x will be a better hire than mccarthy like you know the future.

I rather someone just say watching joe brady or kellen moore try to succeed in this league will be more fun for me than watching McCarthy coach whom i've watched coach for 18 years already.

The key word is TRY. I haven't seen anything from those 2 guys that make me confident they have what it takes to be a great HC. They may be good OCs. But someone please tell me what about their personalities , their coaching style, their command of players and leadership makes them the best HC candidates we can get? Because we need a HC that is not only good with X's and O's but someone that has shown STRONG leadership qualities

 

[DSnfla]

Well you can designate him as a June 1 cut. If you keep him. You know you are on the hook for 40 Million Dollars next year. If you cut him this year. You save 5 million off the cap, and you owe him nothing. You probably trade Tyrann and push that money down the road, The same with Taysom. Unless he agrees to a paycut. The same for Cam. Then you cut Cedrick Wilson, and Jamal Williams. You are under. You are going to suck this year. Draft young talent. Let your Coach pick his QB. Get a high draft pick, and draft Arch next year. Please do not tell me that you think we should pay Derek Carr 70 million Dollars for two years? That is what is sounds like you are suggesting.

Tell you what , I'll bet you a $25 donation to SR that Arch does NOT come out next yr

 

[DSnfla]

Loomis also said that we had the next Chuck Knoll.
Just be aware when someone drops on your forehead and tells you it’s fudge

NO he didn't , you are twisting words SMH

 

[DaveXA]

Valid points but he's still a retread.

Not all retreads are the same. Payton is doing quite well in a pretty short period of time in Denver. And Reid needs no explanation. Vermeil was a retread who took the Rams to the SB. And there are other examples. Some do great and some don't.

 

[DSnfla]

This is an excellent point. I took it at face value that no coaches had won the Super Bowl with two different teams but did not bother to check how many had made it to the Superbowl with two different teams. You are right that it is 7, Shula, Parcels, Reeves, Vermeil, Holmgren, Fox, and Reid. I don't recall the details of the rest, but Vermeil was about a foot short of winning it on the last play. This makes it clear that the no coaches have won Super Bowls with two different teams is even less relevant than I thought when 7 coaches have made it with two different teams.

If you want to go back further Don Shula won a SB with Miami and a NFL championship with the Balt Colts. AND Weeb Eubank won 2 NFL championships AND a SB with the then AFL Jets

 

[SweetT]

NO he didn't , you are twisting words SMH

What did he say then? And who was he making the correlation to?

 

[DSnfla]

I don't have a problem with the idea that some would rather swing for the fences. I'd probably rather do that too, but let's not act like McCarty isn't a good coach or that he wouldn't be a good bet to win a lot of games and get this team back to the playoffs while building a better roster.

I'm taking the guy that almost always hits doubles and triples than a guy that has the POTENTIAL to hit a home run . I'm winning more games with the former

 

[DaveXA]

That's fine. Sniffs brought Reid into the discussion I think comparing Reid in Philly to McCarthy in Dallas. Something something.

I'm just not into picking up our next coach from the dumpster behind The Star.

Loomis took a chance on a young offensive coordinator in 2006, and I'd like that to happen again. I think you have said similar in your catalog of recent posts.

A young coach like what happened with Payton would be great, and I hope Brady is that guy, but it's definitely a risky play. He could crash and burn just as easily as be successful. I don't mind taking that risk.

That said, it's not a bad idea to hire a coach with McCarthy's track record. One thing we'll know for sure, he's not going to mess around and he's serious about building a winning organization. We already have a blueprint in what Payton has done in Denver. Payton and McCarthy are the same age and their career arc has been uncannily similar, and McCarthy didn't have a Brees.

 

[DSnfla]

What did he say then? And who was he making the correlation to?

You said that ML said DA WAS Chuck Knoll. ML said was

"Mickey Loomis on keeping HC Dennis Allen: “Chuck Noll his first three years: 1-13, 5-9, 6-8. They recognized he's a good football coach. Bill Belichick, his first three years: 6-10, 7-9, 7-9. Tom Landry: 0-11, 4-9, 5-8, 4-10, 5-8. All of them Hall of Fame coaches. The easy thing is to blame them.”​

The meaning of this statement was if Knoll , Belichick and Landry were fired in the 1st few yrs of being a HC then those teams would have missed out on a HOF HC. In fact Cleveland DID.

NOWHERE did ML say that DA was Chuck Knoll . You read what you wanted to read. And don't go accusing me of taking up for DA , he needed to be fired but your hatred of ML is blinding you from what he meant

 

[DSnfla]

Let's be honest with ourselves, Aaron Rodgers made McCarthy, not the other way around. Matt Lafleur comes in after McCarthy and the Packers got better.

McCarthy goes to Dallas with a much more talented roster (excluding QB) and gets whooped on often when his team plays against a top 10 nfl coach.

That's not a good sign.

We're aiming for mediocrity here instead of swinging for the fence and getting a coach that can out coach opposition. As I've said before, McCarthy should be viewed as a last resort.

LOL , so let me get this right. By your ridiculous logic. Brees made Payton, Brady made Belichick ,Mahomes made Reid,Montana made Walsh, Aikman made Johnson, Elway made Shannahan . Roethlisberger made Tomlin. Should I go on??