Saints expected to be very interested in former Packers/Cowboys HC Mike McCarthy [Rapoport: Interview to be early next week] (165 Viewers)

[St. Widge]

I don’t want Sean Payton either, unless you’re talking about getting a Time Machine an hiring 2006 young budding offensive mind Payton.

You completely lost me here. There are some legit criticisms of McCarty, but if you bar is set so high that current Sean Payton who just turned around Denver, developed a young QB, and got them in the playoffs in 2 years isn't good enough for you, I get why you wouldn't want McCarty. And the reason is that your expectations are unreasonably high. So high that not a single coach that could be hired this year would likely ever meet them when a HoF coach isn't good enough for you.

 

[DaveXA]

Oh I get it. You want this team to be the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Barely scrape by, win 9 or 10 games and get bounced in the first round every season. How fun.

Here’s what’s sure about MM:

Green Bay got better after he left.
He fired young OC who had the number 1 offense in the league. He has no coaching tree whatsoever. He makes terrible clock decisions at the end of games.

You sure about that?

McCarthy was 10-5 with a SB win in Green Bay. Since he left, they're 3-5 in the playoffs and haven't really come close to a SB.

How pray tell is that an improvement? They haven't actually gotten better.

 

[No2DC]

Actually, like normal in this thread. You’re wrong. Their numbers are almost a deadlock. I’ve posted it twice. You just refuse to acknowledge it bc the truth doesn’t meet your agenda.

Saying people make stuff up when they literally posted the stone cold factual numbers is next level agenda pumping

Sean has been a HC for 17 years, Mike for 18 years

Sean is 170-105 as a HC, Mike is 174-112

Sean is 9-9 in the playoffs, Mike is 11-11

Sean has been to the NFC Championship 3 times, Mike 4 times

Sean is 1-0 in the SB, Mike is 1-0 in the SB

Sean has had a top 10 scoring offense 12 times, Mike has 11 times

Sean has had a top 10 scoring D 5 times, Mike has 6 times

He literally is Sean Payton 2.0 or Sean is Mike McCarthy 2.0

Valid points but he's still a retread.

 

[Saints 318]

this thread is going to reach a 1000 replies if we hire him

 

[No2DC]

this thread is going to reach a 1000 replies if we hire him

That's going to happen regardless.

 

[B4YOU]

@Rouxble

Nine out of ten anti-McCarthy arguments could be used to justify not hiring Payton if he were available.

I still think McCarthy would be solid. I'm surprised no one against the hire mentions that McCarthy isn't a great "coach of coaches". Ben McAdoo and Joe Philben both flamed out quickly as NFL HCs. Jeff Jagodzinski lasted 2yrs at Boston College. There's an argument that he needs solid coaches and may not develop them well.

 

[webster]

Next coach is getting 3-4 years minimum. Chances are, if you bring in a McCarthy, he's gonna have a lot of say with the roster and draft+future FA signings. If you hire one of those other guys who are 1st time head coaches, maybe not so much. Payton only got that kinda cachet because he got to the NFC title game in year 1.

Right, but a coach doesn’t want to come to a new team and win less games than his predecessor. Starting a young unproven qb won’t happen.

 

[DSnfla]

McCarthy alienated his way out of Green Bay, and he did little with Dallas' talent when it mattered. He's a retread. He won a Super Bowl with a generational QB after we did, which was a long time ago. Dak's ceiling with McCarthy is set in stone which is probably why they have to move on from McCarthy in Dallas. If Mickey rescues this guy like he rescued Derek out of Vegas, the Mickey brainrot is worse than currently assessed. If he falls for McCarthy's availability without waiting for playoff assistants to free up, then God help us all.

LOL you could say the same thing about Reid in KC before Mahomes was starting QB. Great regular seasons ,only won 1 layoff game AND he didn't even have a SB win. Bet you would have passed on him if he had been available. SMH

 

[texasjefe]

LOL you could say the same thing about Reid in KC before Mahomes was starting QB. Great regular seasons ,only won 1 layoff game AND he didn't even have a SB win. Bet you would have passed on him if he had been available. SMH

Except that Reid didn't just implode in consecutive playoffs in Dallas. SMA

 

[44slayer]

Complete made up fabrication of the truth. McCarthy has done nothing but under achieve with Dallas and Payton is overachieving in Denver. They’re nothing close to each other in success right now. McCarthy has also been fired from two head coaching jobs. Payton none. You guys make up the most random

Youre a hoot man. Even though broken clocks are right 2 times more a day than you are, it’s fun reading the stuff you come up with for sure.

 

[bigdaddysaints]

Complete made up fabrication of the truth. McCarthy has done nothing but under achieve with Dallas and Payton is overachieving in Denver. They’re nothing close to each other in success right now. McCarthy has also been fired from two head coaching jobs. Payton none. You guys make up the most random stuff.

who was the last coach not to underachieve in Dallas? Jimmy Johnson..

 

[St. Widge]

Except that Reid didn't just implode in consecutive playoffs in Dallas. SMA

True. He imploded by failing in two consecutive playoffs and then missing the playoffs 2 seasons in a row before getting fired in Philly.

 

[texasjefe]

True. He imploded by failing in two consecutive playoffs and then missing the playoffs 2 seasons in a row before getting fired in Philly.

That's fine. Sniffs brought Reid into the discussion I think comparing Reid in Philly to McCarthy in Dallas. Something something.

I'm just not into picking up our next coach from the dumpster behind The Star.

Loomis took a chance on a young offensive coordinator in 2006, and I'd like that to happen again. I think you have said similar in your catalog of recent posts.

 

[DSnfla]

I feel like most of the people hating on McCarthy are doing so because a.) he has the stain of the Cowboys star on him, and b.) because he’s a long time coach with “only” one ring, and is deemed overall as a boring guy personality-wise.

The guy’s results as a team leader and program facilitator are remarkable though, akin to Sean Payton.

As Saints fans, we should all be well aware by now just how fragile a season could be and how sometimes, many times, acts outside of your control dictate whether or not you advance regularly in the playoffs.

Hell, even the year we won our only Super Bowl, do we get there if the Redskins’ kicker doesn’t miss a chip shot FG which eventually helped us get homefield advantage, or the ball doesn’t keep bouncing our way in the NFC title game, or we don’t win a literal OT coin flip in said title game?

Look at how often a candidate wins as the barometer, not championships.

Now, if we do find ourselves in a predicament where we keep getting there under him and losing in round 1, then we assess it then, but for now, give me the guy that manages to keep getting double digit win seasons.

It's because some people would rather be entertained than win. It's that " Go for it" . "Swing for the fences" mentality. But's it's the singles, double and sometimes triples that win championships.

And it's not just fans. I like Underhill and agree with him a lot but the kind of fascination with Brady I don't get. He's been an OC total of 3 seasons and bombed in the 1st 1 1/2. Plus he's had maybe the best QB in the league to work with along with a good WR corps and a very good RB. It's like Nick wants a shiny new toy to cover even though no one has any idea if he's HC material.

Maybe it's because no one's JOB is on the line with the next HC hire. Not Nick or any other so called sports reporter or any fan. I've heard things like " Let's just hire Rizzi for a yr and if he does not work out dump him" Even from the writers!!! Yup , that's going to make our organization a VERY attractive destination for a top HC SMH.

If KC would have fired Reid after only 1 playoff win in 2016 I'll bet a lot of these same people would have been saying the same thing about Reid that they are about McCarthy , only worse because he had not won a SB yet

 

[St. Widge]

That's fine. Sniffs brought Reid into the discussion I think comparing Reid in Philly to McCarthy in Dallas. Something something.

I'm just not into picking up our next coach from the dumpster behind The Star.

Loomis took a chance on a young offensive coordinator in 2006, and I'd like that to happen again. I think you have said similar in your catalog of recent posts.

A young offensive coach is my preference. But I would find it hard to find a lot of fault in hiring McCarty because although he isn't without fault, he's proven to be a good head coach.