Saints expected to be very interested in former Packers/Cowboys HC Mike McCarthy [Rapoport: Interview to be early next week] (113 Viewers)

[lilvipa221]

Figure this is as good a place as any...

Parsons: McCarthy's Cowboys exit 'devastating'

Cowboys pass rusher Micah Parsons expressed his disappointment with head coach Mike McCarthy's departure from the franchise, calling the development "devastating."

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Go look and see what the Raiders players were saying about Antonio Pierce last season. Players opinions do not equal facts. Maxx Crosby wanted to be traded if they didn't pick Pierce as the head coach and look what happened.

 

[St. Widge]

I know you think that's a gotcha question, but I want to swing for the fences, which means I'm cool with taking a chance on someone who hasn't had HCing experience yet vs. the 61-year-old with playoff success 10-15 years ago while only having regular season success with loaded teams.

We don't have Brett Favre, Aaron Rodgers, or even Dak Prescott here. We aren't going to have a roster full of talent. I don't think McCarthy has ever shown an ability to be competitive with sub-par talent.

Who do I want? I'd rather Brady or Glenn between the three. If they fail, at least we tried to hit a homerun.

It's a gotcha question to ask you which coach meets your standards? But yes, I do think it's odd that you dismiss what one coach did because he did it over 10 years ago, but want to hire a coach who has never done anything. In either case, you are betting on the unknown and taking a risk. Although it's arguably less of a risk to go with a guy that has done it before and has had success in his recent past even if it's not the level of success you would like.

But, I wouldn't have a problem hiring Glenn or Brady. In fact, I would probably prefer Glenn despite him being a defensive coach.

At the same point, I get the idea of hiring McCarty because he has done it before and shown that he is a consistent winner.

And I frankly think it's strange that anyone would dismiss either strategy as completely wrong. Both have their upside and downside.

Oh and I'm not sure that Dak actually is much better, if at all better, than Carr. He's in the same range of QB, but maybe a little better.

 

[lilvipa221]

And every one of those players have been injured for varying lengths of time. Go look at the list of injured players for any of the playoff games and you'll see at least one of them unable to suit up for the game.

And Dak has been terrible in high pressure games. He chokes more often than not.

There was only one player who didnt play in the playoffs those 3 years and it was 2023 with Diggs. Injuries werent an excuse that can be used.

 

[DaveXA]

Sure but Mccarthy isnt bringing along the Cowboys roster with him, he will not have the same regular season success here as he did with Dallas because our roster is not as good as those teams were.

I'm certainly not expecting a winning season the first season. It takes at minimum 2 to 3 years before you start to really see the results of changing the culture of the organization. Payton got there in his second season at Denver with arguably a worse roster than ours. So it can be done. I think it's fine to question whether McCarthy can do it. I definitely think he's got the connections to build a strong coaching staff. Upgrading the roster will be a bigger challenge.

 

[lilvipa221]

It's a gotcha question to ask you which coach meets your standards? But yes, I do think it's odd that you dismiss what one coach did because he did it over 10 years ago, but want to hire a coach who has never done anything. In either case, you are betting on the unknown and taking a risk. Although it's arguably less of a risk to go with a guy that has done it before and has had success in his recent past even if it's not the level of success you would like.

But, I wouldn't have a problem hiring Glenn or Brady. In fact, I would probably prefer Glenn despite him being a defensive coach.

At the same point, I get the idea of hiring McCarty because he has done it before and shown that he is a consistent winner.

And I frankly think it's strange that anyone would dismiss either strategy as completely wrong. Both have their upside and downside.

It's not about meeting a standard today. This Saints team is 3-5 years away from being competitive with the roster turnover from old to young that has to happen. We have a huge talent issue from the young guys virtually at every position except for offensive tackle surprisingly. We need a coach who can meet that timeline and grow/build with a young rebuilding roster and also has an offensive background that we can keep that guy long term and not have offensive coach turnover every time we are successful.

 

[SonOfNOLA]

No, they didn't have the same results, no matter how much you massage the criteria. Payton has one losing season of eight wins while McCarthy has two losing seasons of 7 or fewer wins. McCarthy had a losing record *with* Dak this season until his injury.

McCarthy is not Payton. He stopped calling plays in 2018 until Moore left Dallas and things got noticeably worse. He's not the same type of fiery leader of men. If you want McCarthy, then want him because of who he is, not because you think he's Sean Payton.

Payton and McCarthy does have the same results. But you’re trying to believe that they don’t have the same number of winning seasons, double digit win seasons, division titles, playoff advancements, playoff win %, and conference championship appearances. Or that McCarthy’s doesn’t matter. Whether overall or recent, it’s the exact same.

I’m not in favor of McCarthy because he’s Payton. He has a very successful offensive background that this team is in dire need of.

You stated that his success was a decade ago, which isn’t true at all especially when comparing to the results of Payton and current playoff coaches. That was the point being addressed.

 

[RJS]

This offseason is giving me a lot of deja vu to the 2005/2006 offseason.

Mike McCarthy has a great resume. He's kind of like Mike Sherman and Mike Martz combined.

Even the QB's at the top of the draft have similarities with Shadeur (Leinart) and Ward (V Young) having as many questions as answers. As well as having an excellent RB prospect.

That season the Saints took a swing on a HC with less of a pedigree than other candidates. I hope they fall in love with someone this year and not "settle" for a safe choice.

 

[BoNcHiE]

It's a gotcha question to ask you which coach meets your standards? But yes, I do think it's odd that you dismiss what one coach did because he did it over 10 years ago, but want to hire a coach who has never done anything. In either case, you are betting on the unknown and taking a risk. Although it's arguably less of a risk to go with a guy that has done it before and has had success in his recent past even if it's not the level of success you would like.

By that logic, why ever hire an up-and-coming coordinator? Heck, Bruce Arians is out there. Super Bowl winner and .620-something winning %. Is he a better prospect than Ben Johnson, though?

There is a difference between a high-upside guy who hasn't had the chance yet vs. a three-time 61-year-old retread when it comes to how I look at coaches.

I feel like my posts on this have been pretty respectful. I'm not calling McCarthy a bad coach. I think he's a guy who can have success somewhere. I just don't think he's the right fit here. If he ends up here, he ends up here, though.

 

[St. Widge]

Go look and see what the Raiders players were saying about Antonio Pierce last season. Players opinions do not equal facts. M

Where as fan opinions are facts?

 

[BoNcHiE]

Payton and McCarthy does have the same results. But you’re trying to believe that they don’t have the same number of winning seasons, double digit win seasons, division titles, and conference championship appearances. Or that McCarthy’s doesn’t matter. Whether overall or recent, it’s the exact same.

I’m not in favor of McCarthy because he’s Payton. He has a very successful offensive background that this team is in dire need of.

You stated that his success was a decade ago, which isn’t true at all especially when comparing to the results of Payton and current playoff coaches. That was the point being addressed.

It's not the same. You chose to break out the last five years for this discussion. But even accepting your criteria, Payton has had one eight-win losing season. McCarthy has had two losing seasons (six and seven wins). And if you go back seven years, it's not even close, with McCarthy having four losing seasons to Payton's one.

That's literally not the same.

Again, though, I don't care that much about that. I'm not judging McCarthy based off numbers on a spreadsheet. I do not think he's the guy to rebuild this team for all the reasons I've listed previously, which go beyond just reading win/loss records without any context.

If you love him, love him. Doesn't matter to me.

The idea that Payton and McCarthy are basically the same guy, though, is something I disagree with.

 

[Rexman100]

Where as fan opinions are facts?

Even Dak weight in:
Quarterback Dak Prescott also weighed in on McCarthy's exit, telling DLLS Sports in a text message Monday night that he was "bummed, because we built some things. But I guess they couldn't reach an agreement. SMH."

 

[Bayou_City]

Can we get McCarthy and Glenn and let them be dual HC? A man can dream

 

[St. Widge]

By that logic, why ever hire an up-and-coming coordinator? Heck, Bruce Arians is out there. Super Bowl winner and .620-something winning %. Is he a better prospect than Ben Johnson, though?

There is a difference between a high-upside guy who hasn't had the chance yet vs. a three-time 61-year-old retread when it comes to how I look at coaches.

I feel like my posts on this have been pretty respectful. I'm not calling McCarthy a bad coach. I think he's a guy who can have success somewhere. I just don't think he's the right fit here. If he ends up here, he ends up here, though.

That's fair.

I'm not saying either point of view is correct. In fact, I'm saying that both have advantages and disadvantages. Sometimes the old retread works out great, i.e. Payton in Denver and Reid in K.C. and sometimes they don't, i.e. Allen in NOLA, Pederson in Jax. But the same is true of the young coordinators. Some hit and some don't.

Regardless of who you are hiring, you are taking a chance. Either can result in winning it all and any can result in hiring new coach in a year.

Ultimately a team has to pick the best fit for their team which isn't easy, but since we aren't in the locker room and are in the interviews it's really hard for fans to have a validly strong opinion about any head coach candidate. We obviously all have opinions, but maybe we shouldn't take them as seriously as we often do.

 

[St. Widge]

It's not about meeting a standard today. This Saints team is 3-5 years away from being competitive with the roster turnover from old to young that has to happen. We have a huge talent issue from the young guys virtually at every position except for offensive tackle surprisingly. We need a coach who can meet that timeline and grow/build with a young rebuilding roster and also has an offensive background that we can keep that guy long term and not have offensive coach turnover every time we are successful.

Every team in the NFL is 2-3 years from being competitive. But, what makes you think that a young coach that has never built a roster has a better chance of getting that right than an experienced coach that has done the job with a high level of success for many years?

 

[Saint Spud]

By that logic, why ever hire an up-and-coming coordinator? Heck, Bruce Arians is out there. Super Bowl winner and .620-something winning %. Is he a better prospect than Ben Johnson, though?

There is a difference between a high-upside guy who hasn't had the chance yet vs. a three-time 61-year-old retread when it comes to how I look at coaches.

I feel like my posts on this have been pretty respectful. I'm not calling McCarthy a bad coach. I think he's a guy who can have success somewhere. I just don't think he's the right fit here. If he ends up here, he ends up here, though.

If we were the top opening available, I think we’d be better off swinging for the fences on the young, up and coming coordinator.

But openings with good young QBs and a clean cap will likely be more appealing (although I think our opening is a lot more appealing than some seem to think bc Gayle Benson will write blank checks and stay out of things).

So unless we can pull one of the top 2 coordinators available, I’d rather go safe with someone who will re-establish a floor with a chance to get back to winning the division.