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Read the thread. Plenty of people claiming preternatural insight into who will or will not be a successful head coach.
If you're looking for nobody to have an opinion or preference on that, you're looking in the wrong place.
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Read the thread. Plenty of people claiming preternatural insight into who will or will not be a successful head coach.
It's easier to find an XO guy than a leader of men, we just witnessed that. Also, it's not like Dan Campbell was hired for X&Os.I much rather McCarthy or Joe Brady(OC playcaller) over Glenn. Just like Underhill said, it is much easier to find DC's than it is OC's who will get poached when they do a good job. If they do go with Glenn, the moment the OC looks good with this roster, he's getting a bunch of HC interviews in the next cycle and do you really wanna go thru that drama?
Opinion and preferences are one thing, "THIS GUY IS A COLOSSAL FAILURE AND CAN'T COACH" is quite another.If you're looking for nobody to have an opinion or preference on that, you're looking in the wrong place.
Payton and McCarthy have the same overall careers and the same recent playoff success. In their last 5 playoff runs, both Payton and McCarthy have advanced 3 times out of 5. Payton reached the divisional round 2x and the NFCCG once. McCarthy reached the divisional round 2x and the NFCCG once.I get it, and I get why people will downvote my post, but McCarthy has been a regular-season wonder the last eight seasons, and he's been loaded with talent along the way.
He's 61-years-old, which means you probably only get five seasons of him even if he does get us back to the playoffs, and there are serious questions about how much of his offensive success in Dallas was him or Kellen Moore given things got worse after Moore left, even with Dak on the field. Before that, he had prime Aaron Rodgers to work with and still ended his tenure in GB with two losing seasons.
There's a ton of faith being put in what he did a decade ago. Sean Payton has had much more recent playoff success, and he's also shown he can win no matter who is at QB (including his 9-8 season here with a carousel of scrubs). He's had one losing season in the last seven years, and that was Denver last year when he had to work with arguably the worst roster in the NFL, and he still won eight games.
I'm just not a fan of McCarthy as a candidate today. I don't think we are getting 2014-era McCarthy.
Did you even read my post? Because it was all about how McCarthy's success was a decade ago with prime Aaron Rodgers while Payton has had much more recent playoff success. I do not think McCarthy is on Payton's level as a coaching talent when the variables are equal today, which is what matters to me. Not accolades from the early 2010s.Payton and McCarthy have the same overall careers and the same recent playoff success. In their last 5 playoff runs, both Payton and McCarthy have advanced 3 times out of 5. Payton reached the divisional round 2x and the NFCCG once. McCarthy reached the divisional round 2x and the NFCCG once
The Dallas teams are largely overrated when people keep saying that they were loaded with talent. They had Dak, Lamb, a good O-Line and a ton of average role players at skill positions. The RBs were one-dimensional and declining. McCarthy produced top offenses built around the QB, WR1, and a good running game with RBs who were primarily ground and pound.
I get it, and I get why people will downvote my post, but McCarthy has been a regular-season wonder the last eight seasons, and he's been loaded with talent along the way.
He's 61-years-old, which means you probably only get five seasons of him even if he does get us back to the playoffs, and there are serious questions about how much of his offensive success in Dallas was him or Kellen Moore given things got worse after Moore left, even with Dak on the field. Before that, he had prime Aaron Rodgers to work with and still ended his tenure in GB with two losing seasons.
There's a ton of faith being put in what he did a decade ago. Sean Payton has had much more recent playoff success, and he's also shown he can win no matter who is at QB (including his 9-8 season here with a carousel of scrubs). He's had one losing season in the last seven years, and that was Denver last year when he had to work with arguably the worst roster in the NFL, and he still won eight games.
I'm just not a fan of McCarthy as a candidate today. I don't think we are getting 2014-era McCarthy.
It's easier to find an XO guy than a leader of men, we just witnessed that. Also, it's not like Dan Campbell was hired for X&Os.
Before that, he had prime Aaron Rodgers to work with and still ended his tenure in GB with two losing season
Again, for the last time, I do not care what happened a decade ago.Sean had three losing seasons in a row with prime Drew Brees…that doesn’t mean he’s diminished as a coach. Lulls happen. It’s very hard to sustain winning; teams go through phases. It’s a good thing we didn’t fire Sean after his second or third losing season in a row.
To me, McCarthy has more than demonstrated that he can win consistently enough.
I read what you stated. If McCarthy’s success is a decade ago, then so is Sean Payton’s.Did you even read my post? Because it was all about how McCarthy's success was a decade ago with prime Aaron Rodgers while Payton has had much more recent playoff success. I do not think McCarthy is on Payton's level as a coaching talent when the variables are equal today, which is what matters to me. Not accolades from the early 2010s.
Those three-year stretch Dallas teams were loaded with talent. People can cope by saying they weren't, but they were.
I don't know what you guys want me to say. I don't like that McCarthy is 61, isn't the type of personality that someone like Sean is, and hasn't had notable playoff success in a decade. People are welcome to disagree. I just don't like him as a candidate.
You're narrowing it to the last five seasons to fit your narrative without considering Sean Payton had to coach three of the last five seasons with below-average QBs or with a rookie, and he still managed only one losing season (eight wins) in that stretch. Payton is a next-level coach.I read what you stated. If McCarthy’s success is a decade ago, then so is Sean Payton’s.
In his last 5 seasons, McCarthy has three 12-win seasons, three division titles, and advanced in the playoffs once during one of those 3 winning seasons. In Payton’s last 5 seasons, before and after 2024, he has 3 winning seasons, 3 division titles, and one advancement in the playoffs.
Those seasons can’t be dismissed because media overhypes Dallas to go to the SB. Dallas’ talent isn’t an automatic winning machine who can be coached by anyone like many pretend that they are. He’s the reason behind their 12 win seasons, as well as all of the playoff results.
His playoff criticisms are valid. But it’s just not accurate that he hasn’t been successful in a decade. Or that he was just coaching loaded teams. If we’re going by SB/conference championship or bust standards, most coaches aren’t successful.
Glenn but I understand the desire for a guy with an offensive background.So who do you think is the right guy for the job this year?
Again, for the last time, I do not care what happened a decade ago.
You guys are welcome to disagree. That's fine. Sitting here today, I don't like McCarthy to turn this team around. That's my opinion for all the reasons I stated.