Saints expected to be very interested in former Packers/Cowboys HC Mike McCarthy [Rapoport: Interview to be early next week] (109 Viewers)

I much rather McCarthy or Joe Brady(OC playcaller) over Glenn. Just like Underhill said, it is much easier to find DC's than it is OC's who will get poached when they do a good job. If they do go with Glenn, the moment the OC looks good with this roster, he's getting a bunch of HC interviews in the next cycle and do you really wanna go thru that drama?
It's easier to find an XO guy than a leader of men, we just witnessed that. Also, it's not like Dan Campbell was hired for X&Os.
 
I get it, and I get why people will downvote my post, but McCarthy has been a regular-season wonder the last eight seasons, and he's been loaded with talent along the way.

He's 61-years-old, which means you probably only get five seasons of him even if he does get us back to the playoffs, and there are serious questions about how much of his offensive success in Dallas was him or Kellen Moore given things got worse after Moore left, even with Dak on the field. Before that, he had prime Aaron Rodgers to work with and still ended his tenure in GB with two losing seasons.

There's a ton of faith being put in what he did a decade ago. Sean Payton has had much more recent playoff success, and he's also shown he can win no matter who is at QB (including his 9-8 season here with a carousel of scrubs). He's had one losing season in the last seven years, and that was Denver last year when he had to work with arguably the worst roster in the NFL, and he still won eight games.

I'm just not a fan of McCarthy as a candidate today. I don't think we are getting 2014-era McCarthy.
Payton and McCarthy have the same overall careers and the same recent playoff success. In their last 5 playoff runs, both Payton and McCarthy have advanced 3 times out of 5. Payton reached the divisional round 2x and the NFCCG once. McCarthy reached the divisional round 2x and the NFCCG once.

Dallas’ offensive talent is largely overrated when people keep saying that they were loaded with talent. They had Dak, Lamb, a good O-Line and a ton of average role players at skill positions. The RBs were one-dimensional and declining. Cooks is a WR3 forced to be a WR2 for a while now and living off of his earlier career reputation. McCarthy produced top offenses built around the QB, WR1, and a good running game with RBs who were primarily ground and pound.
 
Payton and McCarthy have the same overall careers and the same recent playoff success. In their last 5 playoff runs, both Payton and McCarthy have advanced 3 times out of 5. Payton reached the divisional round 2x and the NFCCG once. McCarthy reached the divisional round 2x and the NFCCG once

The Dallas teams are largely overrated when people keep saying that they were loaded with talent. They had Dak, Lamb, a good O-Line and a ton of average role players at skill positions. The RBs were one-dimensional and declining. McCarthy produced top offenses built around the QB, WR1, and a good running game with RBs who were primarily ground and pound.
Did you even read my post? Because it was all about how McCarthy's success was a decade ago with prime Aaron Rodgers while Payton has had much more recent playoff success. I do not think McCarthy is on Payton's level as a coaching talent when the variables are equal today, which is what matters to me. Not accolades from the early 2010s.

Those three-year stretch Dallas teams were loaded with talent. People can cope by saying they weren't, but they were.

I don't know what you guys want me to say. I don't like that McCarthy is 61, isn't the type of personality that someone like Sean is, and hasn't had notable playoff success in a decade. People are welcome to disagree. I just don't like him as a candidate.
 
I get it, and I get why people will downvote my post, but McCarthy has been a regular-season wonder the last eight seasons, and he's been loaded with talent along the way.

He's 61-years-old, which means you probably only get five seasons of him even if he does get us back to the playoffs, and there are serious questions about how much of his offensive success in Dallas was him or Kellen Moore given things got worse after Moore left, even with Dak on the field. Before that, he had prime Aaron Rodgers to work with and still ended his tenure in GB with two losing seasons.

There's a ton of faith being put in what he did a decade ago. Sean Payton has had much more recent playoff success, and he's also shown he can win no matter who is at QB (including his 9-8 season here with a carousel of scrubs). He's had one losing season in the last seven years, and that was Denver last year when he had to work with arguably the worst roster in the NFL, and he still won eight games.

I'm just not a fan of McCarthy as a candidate today. I don't think we are getting 2014-era McCarthy.

Those are mostly valid criticisms of McCarthy. But I don't know that the what has he done lately is. He has been 12-5 in 3 of the last 4 years and does have one playoff win. You would like more, but random sheet happens in the playoffs all the time where the better team and even better coached team doesn't always win. Saints fans should know that well.

And, I've never been a huge McCarthy fan, but he has won wherever he goes and although his most recent playoff record isn't great, he has won in the playoffs too. Guys don't just forget how to coach at age 61.

And as I have said over and over, McCarthy is not really my top choice and maybe not my second choice for the job, but I do think he is still a good football coach and would be an overall good hire. I'm not sure he gets us where we want, but I think he's a guy that can build your organization back to being a consistent playoff team and leave you with a more attractive roster for the next head coach in 3 to 5 years. But, I also think it's possible he does end up having the kind of success we want.

Some of the young guys might have more upside, but they also have a huge downside and I think this organization is at a cross-roads where you turn it back around or you end up cellar dwellers again for many years. So, I think we have to get this hire right and McCarthy is the safest bet to get us back to the playoffs and build the roster back. Maybe he doesn't do it, but he still seems like the currently available coach with the best chance to do it.

But, a lot will depend on the front office getting it right on the draft picks.
 
Saints need experienced leadership with a soft rebuild. MM would be a solid candidate to help. He has a decent blueprint to success and can help us get to a point to where if it doesn't work out in a few years, at least we have a solid base to build from. That's just my .000002 cents, lol.
 
Before that, he had prime Aaron Rodgers to work with and still ended his tenure in GB with two losing season

Sean had three losing seasons in a row with prime Drew Brees…that doesn’t mean he’s diminished as a coach. Lulls happen. It’s very hard to sustain winning; teams go through phases. It’s a good thing we didn’t fire Sean after his second or third losing season in a row.

To me, McCarthy has more than demonstrated that he can win consistently enough.
 
For me, if they hire Aaron Glenn, i would have to give some trust to the process that after a solid pool of candidates they interviewed of McCarthy, Joe Brady, Anthony Weaver, kellen Moore, Mike Kafka, Kingsbury etc that they walked away saying "man, Glenn has to be our guy". I would have to trust it and hope for the best. The end.
 
Sean had three losing seasons in a row with prime Drew Brees…that doesn’t mean he’s diminished as a coach. Lulls happen. It’s very hard to sustain winning; teams go through phases. It’s a good thing we didn’t fire Sean after his second or third losing season in a row.

To me, McCarthy has more than demonstrated that he can win consistently enough.
Again, for the last time, I do not care what happened a decade ago.

You guys are welcome to disagree. That's fine. Sitting here today, I don't like McCarthy to turn this team around. That's my opinion for all the reasons I stated.
 
Did you even read my post? Because it was all about how McCarthy's success was a decade ago with prime Aaron Rodgers while Payton has had much more recent playoff success. I do not think McCarthy is on Payton's level as a coaching talent when the variables are equal today, which is what matters to me. Not accolades from the early 2010s.

Those three-year stretch Dallas teams were loaded with talent. People can cope by saying they weren't, but they were.

I don't know what you guys want me to say. I don't like that McCarthy is 61, isn't the type of personality that someone like Sean is, and hasn't had notable playoff success in a decade. People are welcome to disagree. I just don't like him as a candidate.
I read what you stated. If McCarthy’s success is a decade ago, then so is Sean Payton’s.

In his last 5 seasons, McCarthy has three 12-win seasons, three division titles, and advanced in the playoffs once during one of those 3 winning seasons. In Payton’s last 5 seasons, before and after 2024, he has 3 winning seasons, 3 division titles, and one advancement in the playoffs.

Those seasons can’t be dismissed because media overhypes Dallas to go to the SB. Dallas’ talent isn’t an automatic winning machine who can be coached by anyone like many pretend that they are. McCarthy developed many of Dallas’ offensive players, like he did with Aaron Rodgers. He’s the reason behind Dallas’ 12 win seasons, as well as all of the playoff results.

His playoff criticisms are valid. But it’s just not accurate that he hasn’t been successful in a decade. Or that he was just coaching loaded teams. If we’re going by SB/conference championship or bust standards, most coaches aren’t successful, including all of the Saints’ HC candidates.
 
I read what you stated. If McCarthy’s success is a decade ago, then so is Sean Payton’s.

In his last 5 seasons, McCarthy has three 12-win seasons, three division titles, and advanced in the playoffs once during one of those 3 winning seasons. In Payton’s last 5 seasons, before and after 2024, he has 3 winning seasons, 3 division titles, and one advancement in the playoffs.

Those seasons can’t be dismissed because media overhypes Dallas to go to the SB. Dallas’ talent isn’t an automatic winning machine who can be coached by anyone like many pretend that they are. He’s the reason behind their 12 win seasons, as well as all of the playoff results.

His playoff criticisms are valid. But it’s just not accurate that he hasn’t been successful in a decade. Or that he was just coaching loaded teams. If we’re going by SB/conference championship or bust standards, most coaches aren’t successful.
You're narrowing it to the last five seasons to fit your narrative without considering Sean Payton had to coach three of the last five seasons with below-average QBs or with a rookie, and he still managed only one losing season (eight wins) in that stretch. Payton is a next-level coach.

Those Dallas teams were loaded and Dak played his best football under Kellen Moore. We aren't a comparable situation. We will be in a much worse position and I don't think McCarthy is like Payton in his ability to take bad teams and elevate them. I think he's a sunny-day coach who does well when everything is going right.
 
Again, for the last time, I do not care what happened a decade ago.

You guys are welcome to disagree. That's fine. Sitting here today, I don't like McCarthy to turn this team around. That's my opinion for all the reasons I stated.

So, who is your pick and what has he done since the last decade to show he is the right guy?
 

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