Saints expected to be very interested in former Packers/Cowboys HC Mike McCarthy [Rapoport: Interview to be early next week] (122 Viewers)

[Pocket Hercules]

Figure this is as good a place as any...

Parsons: McCarthy's Cowboys exit 'devastating'

Cowboys pass rusher Micah Parsons expressed his disappointment with head coach Mike McCarthy's departure from the franchise, calling the development "devastating."

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[St. Widge]

Glenn but I understand the desire for a guy with an offensive background.

That's fair. Glenn would be far and away my top choice if he was an offensive coach. He has the leadership skills and playing experience to lead today's players. Unfortunately, he's defensive guy that is going to have to hit on OC hires over and over again. Still, I'd be perfectly happy with Glenn. But, I'd also be happy with McCarty for the reasons discussed over and over in this thread. And, I'd also be fine with Kinsbury and Brady for other reasons. But I do think they are both more risky than McCarthy or Glenn because neither has yet proven to be the kind of leader you need.

One thing just mentioned by Covington Saint that I think is very true, had we hired Glenn before McCarthy entered the fray, I would have wondered if it wasn't just Loomis going with someone he knew who he thought was safe, but if he picks Glenn over McCarty, or McCarthy over Glenn for that matter, it will have been a legitimate process. Doesn't mean he will get it right, but it's better than last time when DA was the clear choice and someone else would have had to blow them away for him not to get it.

 

[HouseCall]

I am 100% ok with McCarthy as a serious candidate.

I think Glenn would be a more popular hire with the players (since he’s younger and was around some of those guys when he coached here under Payton)

I also think Glenn might have the ability to build a really solid locker room.

I also think Glenn could bring in some assistants from Detroit - which couldn’t hurt as well.

Deep down, I think it’s probably going to come down to how serious the Jets are about Glenn and how strong McCarthy looks to some of the other teams with better QB situations.

However, there’s a small part of me that hopes someone like Brady blows the doors off in the interview and he gets the nod - just because I think it could be fun to have a really young coach with some offensive swagger like Payton when he came in back in 06’.

But as I’ve said earlier in this thread - I still really think Glenn could be great and be a really solid hire.

 

[BoNcHiE]

So, who is your pick and what has he done since the last decade to show he is the right guy?

I know you think that's a gotcha question, but I want to swing for the fences, which means I'm cool with taking a chance on someone who hasn't had HCing experience yet vs. the 61-year-old with playoff success 10-15 years ago while only having regular season success with loaded teams.

We don't have Brett Favre, Aaron Rodgers, or even Dak Prescott here. We aren't going to have a roster full of talent. I don't think McCarthy has ever shown an ability to be competitive with sub-par talent.

Who do I want? I'd rather Brady or Glenn between the three. If they fail, at least we tried to hit a homerun.

 

[rlemieux]

42 pages of “I know you are but what am I”.

 

[Rexman100]

Did you even read my post? Because it was all about how McCarthy's success was a decade ago with prime Aaron Rodgers while Payton has had much more recent playoff success. I do not think McCarthy is on Payton's level as a coaching talent when the variables are equal today, which is what matters to me. Not accolades from the early 2010s.

Those three-year stretch Dallas teams were loaded with talent. People can cope by saying they weren't, but they were.

I don't know what you guys want me to say. I don't like that McCarthy is 61, isn't the type of personality that someone like Sean is, and hasn't had notable playoff success in a decade. People are welcome to disagree. I just don't like him as a candidate.

Just curious, on a scale of 1-10 where do you rank the team currently? Are we on the higher side of the scale, just needing a few tweaks, a good draft and a new coach and a few free agents and we'll compete in 2025 or at the mid/lower, needing all of the aforementioned plus an extra year to get a Qb in the draft. Or worse, at the bottom, needing a full rebuild all new staff, new culture, new everything including med and training staff.

 

[neworleanshoo]

I am 100% ok with McCarthy as a serious candidate.

I think Glenn would be a more popular hire with the players (since he’s younger and was around some of those guys when he coached here under Payton)

I also think Glenn might have the ability to build a really solid locker room.

I also think Glenn could bring in some assistants from Detroit - which couldn’t hurt as well.

Deep down, I think it’s probably going to come down to how serious the Jets are about Glenn and how strong McCarthy looks to some of the other teams with better QB situations.

However, there’s a small part of me that hopes someone like Brady blows the doors off in the interview and he gets the nod - just because I think it could be fun to have a really young coach with some offensive swagger like Payton when he came in back in 06’.

But as I’ve said earlier in this thread - I still really think Glenn could be great and be a really solid hire.

Basically agree with all of this. Deep down I'm hopeful for Brady just because I want some the upside and potential offensive excitement but I recognize that's just the inner "fan" in me and trust Mickey will make the best choice.

 

[lilvipa221]

There is no coach in the league that is good enough if 12-5 for three consecutive seasons when Dak played at least 12 games isn't considered a success.

When you have the amount of talent those Cowboys team had, winning regular season games doesn't dictate success. You had a top 10 QB, arguably top 5, a top 5 receiver, a top 5 defensive player in Micah Parsons, good running game, great o line, one of the top young corners in the league. Definitely should have had more postseason success considering the roster they had.

 

[lilvipa221]

Sure, I would just add that Dak has not played well in those playoff games. He seems to really wilt in those big games.

Also, their defense wasn't very good either in the playoffs.

That said, yeah, McCarthy has struggled to get it done in the playoffs with the Cowboys, but that's how it goes sometimes. I'd be happy winning the division regularly tho and hopefully have more playoff success.

Regardless, any of the top 3 choices I have would be a million times better than Allen.

Sure but Mccarthy isnt bringing along the Cowboys roster with him, he will not have the same regular season success here as he did with Dallas because our roster is not as good as those teams were.

 

[DaveXA]

I know you think that's a gotcha question, but I want to swing for the fences, which means I'm cool with taking a chance on someone who hasn't had HCing experience yet vs. the 61-year-old with playoff success 10-15 years ago while only having regular season success with loaded teams.

We don't have Brett Favre, Aaron Rodgers, or even Dak Prescott here. We aren't going to have a roster full of talent. I don't think McCarthy has ever shown an ability to be competitive with sub-par talent.

Who do I want? I'd rather Brady or Glenn between the three. If they fail, at least we tried to hit a homerun.

Tbf, who really succeeds with sub-par talent? Payton got Denver to the playoffs with sub-par talent, and got bounced right out. No coach is getting far with sub-par talent.

The larger question for me is who's the guy who can rebuild the roster and win enough games to get us to the playoffs with mostly the roster we have? I think McCarthy has shown that he's a proven winner and that he can put a staff together and build a roster.

Can Brady or Glenn build a solid coaching staff and roster? Who knows? It's a risk I'm OK with taking, but they could well crash and burn. That's far less likely to happen with McCarthy. And we've seen what Payton has done in Denver with a rookie qb. Why not give McCarthy the same shot?

I'm down with Glenn, Brady or McCarthy, in no particular order. Brady is probably my first choice tho.

 

[SonOfNOLA]

You're narrowing it to the last five seasons to fit your narrative without considering Sean Payton had to coach three of the last five seasons with below-average QBs or with a rookie, and he still managed only one losing season (eight wins) in that stretch. Payton is a next-level coach.

Those Dallas teams were loaded and Dak played his best football under Kellen Moore. We aren't a comparable situation. We will be in a much worse position and I don't think McCarthy is like Payton in his ability to take bad teams and elevate them. I think he's a sunny-day coach who does well when everything is going right.

There isn’t a narrative. Payton and McCarthy’s results are exactly the same, including at QB in the last 5 seasons.

Dak Prescott missed most of the season twice in both of McCarthy’s losing seasons in Dallas. McCarthy also had to coach up below average QBs after Dak’s injuries. Coaching up below average QBs to 7-10, 8-9, or 9-8 with missed playoffs is still a disappointing season.

Without a franchise QB or above average QB, Payton and McCarthy had the same overall results. With a franchise QB, they also have the same results.

Out of all of the candidates, McCarthy has the most playoff experience and best HC resume. He or Glenn can be great hires with the right staff and roster personnel.

 

[lilvipa221]

I know. That's why I find these pronouncements of confident assurance so silly.

Nobody has any confidence that anyone will be good but I'd rather take a chance on a young offensive coordinator than a retread who didnt prove enough to be kept by his previous team.

 

[BoNcHiE]

There isn’t a narrative. Payton and McCarthy’s results are exactly the same, including at QB in the last 5 seasons.

Dak Prescott missed most of the season twice in both of McCarthy’s losing seasons in Dallas. McCarthy also had to coach up below average QBs after Dak’s injuries. Coaching up below average QBs to 7-10, 8-9, or 9-8 with missed playoffs is still a disappointing season.

Without a franchise QB or above average QB, Payton and McCarthy had the same overall results. With a franchise QB, they also have the same results.

Out of all of the candidates, McCarthy has the most playoff experience and best HC resume. He or Glenn can be great hires with the right staff and roster personnel.

No, they didn't have the same results, no matter how much you simplify the criteria. Payton has one losing season of eight wins in the last five years while McCarthy has two losing seasons of 7 or fewer wins. McCarthy had a losing record *with* Dak this season until his injury. Payton did more with much less over the same stretch.

McCarthy is not Payton. He stopped calling plays in 2018 until Moore left Dallas and things got noticeably worse. He's not the same type of fiery leader of men. If you want McCarthy, then want him because of who he is, not because you think he's Sean Payton.

 

[Mr. Sparkle]

Deep down, I think it’s probably going to come down to how serious the Jets are about Glenn and how strong McCarthy looks to some of the other teams with better QB situations.

This is why I'm not getting too spooled up on any of the candidates. I'm pretty certain we will have 'last pick' among most of the popular coaching candidates, so until we see what the Jets, Bears, Cowboys, Jags and Raiders do, we really don't know what our actual candidate pool looks like.

 

[DaveXA]

When you have the amount of talent those Cowboys team had, winning regular season games doesn't dictate success. You had a top 10 QB, arguably top 5, a top 5 receiver, a top 5 defensive player in Micah Parsons, good running game, great o line, one of the top young corners in the league. Definitely should have had more postseason success considering the roster they had.

And every one of those players have been injured for varying lengths of time. Go look at the list of injured players for any of the playoff games and you'll see at least one of them unable to suit up for the game.

And Dak has been terrible in high pressure games. He chokes more often than not.