Saints haven't drafted a QB in the first round in the last 50 years (2 Viewers)

[Que Que 6]

Longest current streak in the NFL, 17 years more than the second longest streak.

Does the streak end in 2022?

I believe it does.

Last year had a wealth of starting QB's possibly. This year...one. So what's the point of this?

 

[saint_drago]

I’ve already braced myself for Oline - I think that’s the most bankable value
So far it seems like Ruiz is our only big miss drafting Oline (I’d entertain arguments for Peat as well, but it’s a much more nuanced discussion)
My hesitation with WR is that SP is still figuring out offense identity- drafting WR at mid round 1 seems to put cart before horse (esp w MT returning please please)

I agree guido. I already have that feeling of disappointment. We'll be drafting just outside the top 10 and some great WR prospects will be on the board. It will seem like need has finally met value and we're finally going to take one of these stud WRs in the 1st. There, in that Schrodinger's WR moment, our minds run wild with possibility.

Then the pick is announced and it's a Center from Iowa. But you hit the nail on the head about the bankable value for drafting O line. Even misses like Peat and Ruiz have value. They might not play up to their draft position but they can still be contributors. Some positions, like WR, seem much more dicey. Here's an informative and eye opening read about drafting WRs in the first round...

Success rate of first-round wide receivers this century

I’m gonna tell you the odds. Sorry, Han.

www.milehighreport.com

 

[No2DC]

I agree guido. I already have that feeling of disappointment. We'll be drafting just outside the top 10 and some great WR prospects will be on the board. It will seem like need has finally met value and we're finally going to take one of these stud WRs in the 1st. There, in that Schrodinger's WR moment, our minds run wild with possibility.

Then the pick is announced and it's a Center from Iowa. But you hit the nail on the head about the bankable value for drafting O line. Even misses like Peat and Ruiz have value. They might not play up to their draft position but they can still be contributors. Some positions, like WR, seem much more dicey. Here's an informative and eye opening read about drafting WRs in the first round...

Success rate of first-round wide receivers this century

I’m gonna tell you the odds. Sorry, Han.

www.milehighreport.com

I can reluctantly live with the idea if we don't get a WR in the first (MT was a 2nd) but I want them to make the position a priority and bring at least a couple of guys before the fourth round.

 

[BayouSAINTJoe]

I agree guido. I already have that feeling of disappointment. We'll be drafting just outside the top 10 and some great WR prospects will be on the board. It will seem like need has finally met value and we're finally going to take one of these stud WRs in the 1st. There, in that Schrodinger's WR moment, our minds run wild with possibility.

Then the pick is announced and it's a Center from Iowa. But you hit the nail on the head about the bankable value for drafting O line. Even misses like Peat and Ruiz have value. They might not play up to their draft position but they can still be contributors. Some positions, like WR, seem much more dicey. Here's an informative and eye opening read about drafting WRs in the first round...

Success rate of first-round wide receivers this century

I’m gonna tell you the odds. Sorry, Han.

www.milehighreport.com

That's all fine and good, but they don't go into further analysis as to what happens w/ receivers not taken in the first round. Pretty sure the success rate dives the later a WR is selected.

 

[Cajun Chat]

There won't be many 1st round graded QBs in the '22 draft.

I agree there won't be many 1st round grades on QB's but since it's the most important position in football at any level, teams will reach. I expect 4-5 QB's to go in the 1st round when maybe only 2-3 should.

 

[RJ in Lafayette]

I have already posted that Corral would fit nicely in our system, but I suspect we will have to trade up to pick him. And we won't know what our needs are until the spring after free agency begins and we learn whom we will be losing and whether we have signed other players.

However, this thread does underscore how short-term the team's thinking has been since 2018 with acquiring talent. From 2018 through 2021, we had three first-round picks to spend. Admittedly, we were drafting late each year--and draft position matters. But we used those four first-round picks on Marcus Davenport, Cesar Ruiz, and Payton Turner.

Though he will get a big contract in next year--probably from us--Davenport thus far has not met expectations. At least not mine. He has the talent, but a substantial gaps lingers, in part because of injuries, between potential and production. The problem with drafting raw players like Davenport and Turner is that, even if they eventually approach their potential, their approaching potential takes too long. You want first-round picks to produce, if not in their first year, then in their second year, and you certainly want for the first five years (assuming the option is exercised) their production to substantially exceed their relatively low compensation under the collective bargaining agreement. A first-round pick who does not truly produce until the end of his rookie contract was not a good pick because the team is getting only for a limited period of time at a reasonable cost the production it had hoped for.

Ruiz was simply overdrafted. He should have been picked in the third- or fourth-round.

And I have no idea what Turner will do. He has shown flashes and has potential. But from the beginning of camp, he has been injured. And this is a player who needs practice time and playing time. Since the draft, media defenders of the pick have suggested that of course he was a first-round talent because other teams were going to pick him in the first round had the Saints not done so. And the response to that speculation is that every team says about nearly every high draft pick that other teams wanted to draft him high and that we really have no idea how high Turner would have been picked had the Saints not picked him.

And of course, because of Payton's impatience, the Saints has repeatedly traded away to draft picks to select players they like. There are times when trading up makes sense, especially with the quarterback position in the first round. But the result is that we have relatively little to show from the last four drafts. When it comes to the draft, Payton largely makes the big calls, but at this time I don't think we really need to be concerned about a team hiring Jeff Ireland as its general manager.

 

[baarbogast]

One of our two thirds...which one? Unspecified.

I think it has to be our league mandated one. Comp picks won't be finalized until after the super bowl.