Saints met with QB Shedeur Sanders [Deion Sanders ok with Saints drafting Shedeur]

[SystemShock]

It mattered to Archie Manning and he made sure to pick where Eli went. And somehow we didn't have a problem with that, but we have an issue with Deion saying he would be happy for Shadeur to play for any of 4 or 5 teams?

But Archie didn't pick were Eli went. IIRC, the only request made was that San Diego didn't draft Eli, and SD went and drafted Eli anyway.

 

[jahsoul357]

While that’s an impressive accomplishment, the Buffalos team that went 9-4 was basically a completely different roster. If you just added Sanders to the 1-11 roster they had before he got there, he’s not going 9-4. They added some great receivers and better coaching. Sanders obviously helped, but the playmakers he was surrounded with made a big difference as well.

Sure. But I mean, Burrow had what are now two of the best WRs in the NFL and a bunch of other NFL talent around him. Burrow took advantage of that, but let's not pretend he put that team on his shoulders and won it all by himself. There is a reason people still talk about that 2019 LSU team as maybe being the best team in the history of college football.

St. Widge not only beat me to it but took the words out of my mouth. Not just 2 of the best WRs in the country that season but that running back that LSU had that season was LEGIT (forgot his name but it'll come to me). Outside of QB, we can still look at LSU at one of the most skilled teams in college football.

I get that but Burrow won a natty and smoked elite teams. Much different than the Buffalos beating teams like Nebraska and Colorado State. It’s just not the same even taking LSU’s ridiculously talented roster into consideration. You still gotta go out there and win all those big SEC games and playoff games.

What you are missing is those same 2 primary receivers that Burrow threw to that season are still king makers in the NFL today (yep, I still think Chase was the true x-factor for the Bengals). It's one thing to say they had to smoke those SEC teams and playoffs, but when you legitimately have the best team in college football, it isn't hard to do.

 

[St. Geezy]

St. Widge not only beat me to it but took the words out of my mouth. Not just 2 of the best WRs in the country that season but that running back that LSU had that season was LEGIT (forgot his name but it'll come to me).

You mean the RB currently on our roster bro?

Clyde Edwards-Hellaire.

 

[DSnfla]

75 percent of those on SR that answered the poll would pass at 9 for what experts claim is 1st or 2nd best quarterback prospect whose father is in the hall of fame. Not to mention to replace a quarterback that 75 percent dislike. To draft what? A short armed offensive lineman? A tight end? This assignment should of been easy.

Yeah and Pickett was the best QB in the 22 draft , how'd that work out? It makes no difference where a player ranks at his position in the draft when it's a bad draft for that position.

Who cares if his dad is in the HOF. You know most guys IN the HOF , their dads are not. 75% of Saints fans ,or any fans are clueless

 

[jahsoul357]

You mean the RB currently on our roster bro?

Clyde Edwards-Hellaire.

I wish you could have seen my face when I looked up the 2019 team and I saw that name after posting.....lol. I was like "hold up....." I wasn't going to go back and edit it; I was waiting for whatever came. LOL.
I completely drew a blank on buddy and chuckled the second I saw his name. Like "dang, he shole was on that team." HAHA..

Bump LSU tho...

 

[St. Widge]

But Archie didn't pick were Eli went. IIRC, the only request made was that San Diego didn't draft Eli, and SD went and drafted Eli anyway.

Archie made it clear that Eli would not play for San Diego and they drafted him anyway. Which is why they then had to trade him to the Giants an hour after they drafted him. Deion has done nothing close to that.

 

[St. Widge]

My only beef with Sanders is that I don't see huge upside. My sense is that he can be a competent pro quarterback but strikes me as more of a game manager, and I am not taking him in the top 10 for that kind of potential. He'll have a deserved place in the league, but it's not the right pick for us right now.

That's pretty much so how I see Sanders. But I do think he could end up being a top 10 guy if he can improve on his pocket awareness and learn to step up into the pocket instead of backing out. But, I too fear he may have peaked so he may never learn that. I don't want to take him at #9, but I wouldn't have an issue with it if Moore thinks he's worth the pick.

 

[Jesse Custer]

My only beef with Sanders is that I don't see huge upside. My sense is that he can be a competent pro quarterback but strikes me as more of a game manager, and I am not taking him in the top 10 for that kind of potential. He'll have a deserved place in the league, but it's not the right pick for us right now.

This is pretty much where I am. I think his ceiling is Alex Smith. Great game manager, but no wow factor. Not someone I'd rely on for a game-winning drive down 4 in the 4th quarter. Weirdly, I'd trust Carr to pull it off. Shedeur isn't bad by any stretch of the imagination, but is he Top 10 pick worthy in this draft class? I'm not so sure for his play on the field.

 

[BELOWSEALEVEL]

Sanders is gonna force feed all the QB needy teams a bunch of sunshine about his kid.
Buyer beware

 

[jahsoul357]

This is pretty much where I am. I think his ceiling is Alex Smith. Great game manager, but no wow factor. Not someone I'd rely on for a game-winning drive down 4 in the 4th quarter. Weirdly, I'd trust Carr to pull it off. Shedeur isn't bad by any stretch of the imagination, but is he Top 10 pick worthy in this draft class? I'm not so sure for his play on the field.

Alex Smith with Spags defense is probably winning 2....lol. I've said it before and plant my flag on this hill. We should only care about upside in the skill positions because all modern quarterbacking requires you to do is to get the balls to your play maker. Jon Gruden hit the nail on the head when speaking about the modern game. If most your passes are going to be screens behind the line or 5 yard slants with the name of the game being space, I say get the BPA available for skill positions and defense and draft QBs based off their floor. Unless we begin depending more on dual threat QBs..

 

[DSnfla]

Yep. If you want arrogant, go look at Joe Burrow in his senior year in college. He knew he was good and wasn't afraid to tell anyone about it, but we called it swag instead of arrogance. Pointing to his ring finger, smoking cigars after the Championship game, etc. Often times we call in arrogance if we don't like the player but swagg if we like the player.

I don't know Sanders so maybe he's a giant arrogant butt crevasse, but I think it's just as likely that he is just like every other star college athlete with a NIL deal.

There is a difference between confidence and self -assured and arrogance and elitist. That pic of SS flaunting his Rolex to a Nebraska player is a microcosm of all that I have read and heard about SS. He throws his players under the bus, He sets himself above the rest of the team. From everything I have heard he is not a leader.

Burrow , Daniels not even Williams never said what SS said about his teammate Xavier Smith " ION remember him TBA, Bro had to be very mid at best" after he transferred

 

[DSnfla]

He gets some hostility because he's arrogant IMO.

Take it for what it's worth but my wife is a Colorado alum and we are friends with some of the staff. The entire academic staff absolutely hates the kid from what I heard.

You and I rarely agree on pretty much anything, but I am completely with you on SS

 

[DSnfla]

Alex Smith with Spags defense is probably winning 2....lol. I've said it before and plant my flag on this hill. We should only care about upside in the skill positions because all modern quarterbacking requires you to do is to get the balls to your play maker. Jon Gruden hit the nail on the head when speaking about the modern game. If most your passes are going to be screens behind the line or 5 yard slants with the name of the game being space, I say get the BPA available for skill positions and defense and draft QBs based off their floor. Unless we begin depending more on dual threat QBs..

I can somewhat agree with this, one of the reasons I think you build the best vehicle you can and then get the driver. Because it's been proven many times that if you have a very good TEAM you don't HAVE to have an elite QB to get to the SB. But you can have an elite QB and just an average team and not sniff a SB.
And you have chances every yr to build a very good to great team in the draft and FA. Elite QBs are not available in every draft even @ #1

Also let's say you have built your very good to almost great team and it's the QB position that you need to get over the hump and you're picking say 22 or so. You don't need to upgrade many positions, in fact a lot of the players you draft won't have an impact. That's when you are in position to make that big trade up to get your elite QB and trade multiple 1sts and 2nds because you DON"T have the holes to fill

 

[DSnfla]

Let's take an honest look at the 2019 LSU Tigers and 2024 Colorado Buffaloes OUTSIDE of the quarterback position. This ain't putting one over the other as both elevated their teams. In 2 seasons, LSU went from 9-4 to a title and Colorado went from 1-11 to 9-4.

That's a hard comparison, yes LSU had much more talent than CU , BUT the competition in the SEC is way tougher.