Saints planned to interview Mike McCarthy; McCarthy didn’t garner enough interest from Saints and will take a year off (5 Viewers)

[mleg1972]

The same thing was said about Andy Reid before he had a resurgence in KC. He left PHI with a .583 winning percentage, plenty of playoff failures, and his last two seasons there finished 8-8 and then 4-12 before he got run out of town.

The Saints are at a crossroads as a franchise right now. The Payton era raised the bar for the franchise and the fanbase, and changed the perception of the club within the league after being loveable losers for nearly 40 years. As a small-market team, now a handful of years removed from being an annual contender and sought-after FA destination, we are teetering on the brink of heading back down the path to mediocrity or worse. When we hired Sean Payton, we had nothing to lose, and no leverage to attract a proven coach. I would say that we have a lot to lose right now, and far more leverage than we had coming out of the Katrina season. Taking a chance on a young, unproven offensive coach may be an exciting proposition that gives us CSP vibes, but the reality is that those hires flame out far more often than they succeed.

The Saints could do a LOT worse than a proven NFL head coach with a .608 winning percentage, TWELVE playoff appearances with two different franchises, and a Superbowl win. You can point to his playoff failures and question his ceiling, but getting to his floor would be a much-needed boost for the Saints at this point in time, and might just cement the franchise as a winning organization that contends for championships.

Sign me up.

Well stated! I agree. He can lay the foundation and instill a winning culture.

 

[St. Widge]

I think you have a reading comprehension issue. I said he did nothing in the postseason with extremely talented Dallas cowboys rosters, much better than what we currently have with the Saints. We need a young coach with a vision for how to build a roster, not a veteran coach who will need to continue going further into the salary cap hole to try to compete and fail.

Maybe you have trouble writing things that are comprehensible?

And why would an older coach need to go further in a salary cap hole than a young one? That's just nonsense you made up.

 

[Saint Greg]

Well stated! I agree. He can lay the foundation and instill a winning culture.

That’s kind of what I’m thinking with him. Maybe he can just get us back on track. Say to where the Bucs are now…we’d be a lot more attractive to our next coach. He’s in his 60’s so I don’t think he’d be looking to coach here for much more than 1 contract.

 

[St. Widge]

Players rarely say something terrible about a couch in public. The Cowgirls were headed for a reset regardless.

Maybe but he didn't have to publicly support McCarthy when he still works for the guy that let him go.

 

[nakadish]

What has MM done in 15 years since that Peak Aaron Rogers Super Bowl run in. 2010??

More than Payton has without Drew.

 

[St. Widge]

I don’t want Sean Payton either, unless you’re talking about getting a Time Machine an hiring 2006 young budding offensive mind Payton.

You completely lost me here. There are some legit criticisms of McCarty, but if you bar is set so high that current Sean Payton who just turned around Denver, developed a young QB, and got them in the playoffs in 2 years isn't good enough for you, I get why you wouldn't want McCarty. And the reason is that your expectations are unreasonably high. So high that not a single coach that could be hired this year would likely ever meet them when a HoF coach isn't good enough for you.

 

[DaveXA]

Oh I get it. You want this team to be the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Barely scrape by, win 9 or 10 games and get bounced in the first round every season. How fun.

Here’s what’s sure about MM:

Green Bay got better after he left.
He fired young OC who had the number 1 offense in the league. He has no coaching tree whatsoever. He makes terrible clock decisions at the end of games.

You sure about that?

McCarthy was 10-5 with a SB win in Green Bay. Since he left, they're 3-5 in the playoffs and haven't really come close to a SB.

How pray tell is that an improvement? They haven't actually gotten better.

 

[No2DC]

Actually, like normal in this thread. You’re wrong. Their numbers are almost a deadlock. I’ve posted it twice. You just refuse to acknowledge it bc the truth doesn’t meet your agenda.

Saying people make stuff up when they literally posted the stone cold factual numbers is next level agenda pumping

Sean has been a HC for 17 years, Mike for 18 years

Sean is 170-105 as a HC, Mike is 174-112

Sean is 9-9 in the playoffs, Mike is 11-11

Sean has been to the NFC Championship 3 times, Mike 4 times

Sean is 1-0 in the SB, Mike is 1-0 in the SB

Sean has had a top 10 scoring offense 12 times, Mike has 11 times

Sean has had a top 10 scoring D 5 times, Mike has 6 times

He literally is Sean Payton 2.0 or Sean is Mike McCarthy 2.0

Valid points but he's still a retread.

 

[Saints 318]

this thread is going to reach a 1000 replies if we hire him

 

[No2DC]

this thread is going to reach a 1000 replies if we hire him

That's going to happen regardless.

 

[B4YOU]

@Rouxble

Nine out of ten anti-McCarthy arguments could be used to justify not hiring Payton if he were available.

I still think McCarthy would be solid. I'm surprised no one against the hire mentions that McCarthy isn't a great "coach of coaches". Ben McAdoo and Joe Philben both flamed out quickly as NFL HCs. Jeff Jagodzinski lasted 2yrs at Boston College. There's an argument that he needs solid coaches and may not develop them well.

 

[webster]

Next coach is getting 3-4 years minimum. Chances are, if you bring in a McCarthy, he's gonna have a lot of say with the roster and draft+future FA signings. If you hire one of those other guys who are 1st time head coaches, maybe not so much. Payton only got that kinda cachet because he got to the NFC title game in year 1.

Right, but a coach doesn’t want to come to a new team and win less games than his predecessor. Starting a young unproven qb won’t happen.

 

[DSnfla]

McCarthy alienated his way out of Green Bay, and he did little with Dallas' talent when it mattered. He's a retread. He won a Super Bowl with a generational QB after we did, which was a long time ago. Dak's ceiling with McCarthy is set in stone which is probably why they have to move on from McCarthy in Dallas. If Mickey rescues this guy like he rescued Derek out of Vegas, the Mickey brainrot is worse than currently assessed. If he falls for McCarthy's availability without waiting for playoff assistants to free up, then God help us all.

LOL you could say the same thing about Reid in KC before Mahomes was starting QB. Great regular seasons ,only won 1 layoff game AND he didn't even have a SB win. Bet you would have passed on him if he had been available. SMH

 

[texasjefe]

LOL you could say the same thing about Reid in KC before Mahomes was starting QB. Great regular seasons ,only won 1 layoff game AND he didn't even have a SB win. Bet you would have passed on him if he had been available. SMH

Except that Reid didn't just implode in consecutive playoffs in Dallas. SMA