Saints planned to interview Mike McCarthy; McCarthy didn’t garner enough interest from Saints and will take a year off (4 Viewers)

[scott88]

The fact that Dallas didn’t hire Kellen Moore because they didn’t think he could lead men. Should mean something. Instead they chose a career assistant instead in Shottenheimer

not really, do you really trust Jerry Jone's judgement?

 

[St. Widge]

If Loomis wants control over the staff then McCarthy is not coming. That was the problem with the Cowboys. When he was hired, he had to accept Kellen Moore as the OC. Between him and Dan Quinn, McCarthy was always looking over his shoulder. He won't be in that situation again. Why would Loomis want control of the staff anyway? The HC should have control over his staff.

I agree. But I don't see anything credible saying that Loomis wants control over who is on the coaching staff and he has already let two coaches take new jobs including one lateral move by Hodges. Plus Loomis specifically said that the new HC will get to pick his staff and that he would not be forced to keep any coaches.

If there is an issue, I suspect it's that McCarthy wants full control over personnel decisions and Loomis doesn't want to give it to him and wants to do it the same way he did with Payton and DA where Loomis gives them what they want in most instances, but Loomis maintains final say. Maybe that's a mistake by Loomis and he should give McCarthy full control. But, I don't know enough about McCarthy's talent evaluation ability or his success rate in the past to know if it's the right call or not.


Regardless, I'm more excited by the prospect of Moore at this point and would prefer for them to swing for the fences with Moore.

 

[Boy_of_wonder75]

The fact that Dallas didn’t hire Kellen Moore because they didn’t think he could lead men.

This is SUCH a weird phrase. You're not alone in using it, but it is so strange to say.

 

[OzzieSaint]

how was Kafka a Rooney Rule interview?

Kafka's mother is Puerto Rican, so he counts as a minority.

 

[scott88]

Kafka's mother is Puerto Rican, so he counts as a minority.

oh, thought he was just a regular white guy

 

[WilliamBrees]

Like Dallas, Green Bay & Rodgers’ success stemmed from McCarthy. Those were still McCarthy’s rosters in the immediate seasons after he left. He developed Rodgers since he came into the league and helped put him in position to be an elite QB throughout his career.

Those Cowboys teams were Dak, Lamb, Pro Bowl O-Line, Parsons and dozens of role players that arguably aren’t 53 man roster level. The secondary were ballhawks who can’t consistently cover. They take tons of chances to pad int/pbu stats but always gave up plays just as much. Which is why they couldn’t stop the 49ers and Packers in the playoffs when it mattered.

McCarthy plus the 5-6 player nucleus (including OL) maxed those teams out to 12-win—divisional round when they only were 9-win talent. National media hyping up Dallas every year because of America’s team rep doesn’t mean they were actually talented outside of QB, WR1, OL & the edge rusher. McCarthy made them a consistently winning team again.

While I like your argument, it could be argued Cowboys had the Giants and Commanders four times a year.

Also McCarthy's Cowboys were 11-11 during those years against playoff teams.

However, Dak was 8-13 with Jason Garrett from 16-19 against playoff teams.

 

[Hubig]

You can always hire an enforcer on your staff. I remember Curtis Johnson going in on Meachem in training camp in the 09 season. We all heard it in the stands, he told him straight up, "You aint in college anymore, you gonna f'in learn today." Then Gregg Williams got on him after. We couldn't exactly see what Meachem did but he got unloaded on.

 

[3ParStillDriver]

The fact that Dallas didn’t hire Kellen Moore because they didn’t think he could lead men. Should mean something. Instead they chose a career assistant instead in Shottenheimer

That relationship was soured when Kellen Moore left after McCarthy took over play calling duties. It would be like us trying rehire Rob Ryan as head coach instead of Dennis Allen (which actually might have turned out better LOL).

But regardless. The two people you never, ever look at as making rational decisions were Al Davis and Jerry Jones.

 

[Elvis]

I agree. But I don't see anything credible saying that Loomis wants control over who is on the coaching staff and he has already let two coaches take new jobs including one lateral move by Hodges. Plus Loomis specifically said that the new HC will get to pick his staff and that he would not be forced to keep any coaches.

If there is an issue, I suspect it's that McCarthy wants full control over personnel decisions and Loomis doesn't want to give it to him and wants to do it the same way he did with Payton and DA where Loomis gives them what they want in most instances, but Loomis maintains final say. Maybe that's a mistake by Loomis and he should give McCarthy full control. But, I don't know enough about McCarthy's talent evaluation ability or his success rate in the past to know if it's the right call or not.


Regardless, I'm more excited by the prospect of Moore at this point and would prefer for them to swing for the fences with Moore.

I can understand wanting some of that control after looking at the last 5 years of Saints roster management. But until Gayle decides she's going to make a change what is being requested (or rumored to have been requested) from candidate(s) is simply not going to happen. A new coach is either going to work with Loomis or they aren't going to be the coach. And no, I am not calling for him to be fired. It's way too late for anything like that. I'm just pointing out the reality. Especially after Loomis' end of year press conference where he said they would be hiring a coach where there was alignment on the vision for the team. Which is a different thing from the FO facilitating the new coaches vision.

 

[trashman]

Sounds like McCarthy’s agent is preemptively making it known why his client is about to “lose.”

or Jerry Jones throwing some shade out here since we know he is salty.

 

[WilliamBrees]

Ya I can't buy those excuses. We watched Sean Payton barely miss the playoffs in 2021 playing QB carousel with Winston (who literally got yanked as backup QB fro the Browns) tagged as primary starting QB and plenty of injuries. In 2020 he went 12-4 and still made the playoffs and that was the year Brees was out breaking all those ribs. Really good coaches still find ways to win.

Did Sean Payton not go 7-9 three years in a row?

 

[meily]

I agree. But I don't see anything credible saying that Loomis wants control over who is on the coaching staff and he has already let two coaches take new jobs including one lateral move by Hodges. Plus Loomis specifically said that the new HC will get to pick his staff and that he would not be forced to keep any coaches.

If there is an issue, I suspect it's that McCarthy wants full control over personnel decisions and Loomis doesn't want to give it to him and wants to do it the same way he did with Payton and DA where Loomis gives them what they want in most instances, but Loomis maintains final say. Maybe that's a mistake by Loomis and he should give McCarthy full control. But, I don't know enough about McCarthy's talent evaluation ability or his success rate in the past to know if it's the right call or not.


Regardless, I'm more excited by the prospect of Moore at this point and would prefer for them to swing for the fences with Moore.

So Loomis does not want full control of the roster if he gets the coaches the players they seek, right?

I do not think this report carries much weight, we are just the final team without a coach so they are printing all these salacious articles to get views and clicks, the Saints are pretty private and low key in their HC pursuit(s) and we do not get that much coverage even when Payton and Brees were leading this franchise so why all of a sudden are we believing "reports".

 

[St. Widge]

I can understand wanting some of that control after looking at the last 5 years of Saints roster management. But until Gayle decides she's going to make a change what is being requested (or rumored to have been requested) from candidate(s) it's simply not going to happen. A new coach is either going to work with Loomis or they aren't going to be the coach. And no, I am not calling for him to be fired. It's way too late for anything like that. I'm just pointing out the reality. Especially after Loomis' end of year press conference where he said they would be hiring a coach where there was alignment on the vision for the team. Which is a different thing from the FO facilitating the new coaches vision.

I can certainly understand why McCarthy would want that control considering both our lack of draft success since 2017 and the situation he had in Dallas. And maybe it would be a good thing for the Saints. I just don't know if McCarthy would be better at it than what we have now. Although I will say that I have long wished that they would move on from Jeff Ireland as the head of college scouting and the guy in de facto control of our drafts.

At the same point, IIRC, Ron Wolf had full control of the Packers when McCarthy was there and Jerry clearly had full control in Dallas so I'm not sure if McCarthy is the guy you want to give full control over you personnel decisions and drafting. But it is tempting considering how at best mediocre our drafting has been since 2017.

 

[Rexman100]

So Loomis does not want full control of the roster if he gets the coaches the players they seek, right?

I do not think this report carries much weight, we are just the final team without a coach so they are printing all these salacious articles to get views and clicks, the Saints are pretty private and low key in their HC pursuit(s) and we do not get that much coverage even when Payton and Brees were leading this franchise so why all of a sudden are we believing "reports".

this is a good point. NONE of our local beat writers has even gotten a crumb of "inside info". Everyone are saying the same thing, we have no clue who the Saints are hiring.

 

[Elvis]

So Loomis does not want full control of the roster if he gets the coaches the players they seek, right?

I do not think this report carries much weight, we are just the final team without a coach so they are printing all these salacious articles to get views and clicks, the Saints are pretty private and low key in their HC pursuit(s) and we do not get that much coverage even when Payton and Brees were leading this franchise so why all of a sudden are we believing "reports".

I don't know. Where there is smoke there is usually some fire. It's not just the podcasters saying it anymore. It's local and national media saying it. I believe the front office overestimated how desirable the Saints job is right now. You could hear it in his end of season presser when he said he didn't think he had to sell the job to candidates. Either way, somebody is taking this job in a couple more weeks at the latest.