Saints restructure Ramczyk to vet minimum per Jason Fitzgerald of Over The Cap (1 Viewer)

[ELLIASJWILLIAMS]

Just because he abdicated the final word and gave it away to the HC doesn't mean it wasn't his. That's just making excuses for the guy at the expense of guys who aren't hear anymore.

labeling a fact an excuse so it supports you're argument is interesting, but I digress.
It's liek the injury thing this year....calling it an excuse is meh.

 

[St. Widge]

I hear you, but Loomis is responsible for both the money and the talent. It comes with the job of GM. He's the final word. If he shifts the talent evaluatiosn to a coach, that's still on him. Carr had no history of ever being a franchise QB and they paid him like one when the only other team being tied to him was the Jets using him as leverage to get a deal done for Rodgers. He could have said no because there was too much risk to that signing but he gave DA what he wanted. And we can't keep using the same hypothetical situations where everything works out to excuse bad drafting, bad free agent signings and bad cap management. Only one of those things can be 100% without the potential for failure and that's the cap management.

No doubt Loomis deserves the blame either way. But since he's not going anywhere right now, at least we know that if he ends up hiring the right coach that does evaluate players properly and does know how to build a roster Loomis will give him the roster he wants. Hopefully without adding void years and singing aging vets to big deals with void years. Of course, if he gets the hire wrong, he will also give the coach the roster he wants.

I'm not totally confident Loomis is going to get this rebuild totally right, but I do think he moved in the right direction last year by not maximizing the restructures and with the Lattimore trade. My main fear is that he's going to go YOLO again spending in free agency and trading up in the draft.

 

[Elvis]

labeling a fact an excuse so it supports you're argument is interesting, but I digress.
It's liek the injury thing this year....calling it an excuse is meh.

Are you saying that the responsibilities of the GM in New Orleans is different than in the other 31 NFL cities? Unless there is some evidence Dennis Lauscha handed Loomis's authority and responsibility for personnel and accounting to someone else entirely, it rests with him as the GM. It is fine for him to do so, but it doesn't remove his responsibility for that choice and he should be judged by that decision.

 

[stooge]

I still believe that is one of the bigger misconceptions about the Saints' strategy, the heavy use of future cap space didn't really start until 2021. From 2011-2020, we averaged about 8% of total cash being spent on restructuring bonuses. From 2021-2024, the average has been about 37% of cash spent. We've been more all-in post-Brees than we ever were with Brees.

This is likely due to having to do a ton of restructuring after Covid shrank the cap unexpectedly. We’re hopefully close to finally clawing out from that but it’s going to take another lean year or two.

 

[ELLIASJWILLIAMS]

Are you saying that the responsibilities of the GM in New Orleans is different than in the other 31 NFL cities? Unless there is some evidence Dennis Lauscha handed Loomis's authority and responsibility for personnel and accounting to someone else entirely, it rests with him as the GM. It is fine for him to do so, but it doesn't remove his responsibility for that choice and he should be judged by that decision.

Yes, lol I even provided you an example. See below.

“I want Geno to be here,” Macdonald told reporters on Monday. “I think he’s a heck of a player. The first thing it always comes back to is what’s best for the team. I feel like Geno is the best for the team right now. I’ll be involved with it, ultimately it’s not my decision. It’s a Seahawks decision. But, Geno knows how we feel about him and we love him as our starting quarterback for sure.”

The decision ultimately will be made by G.M. John Schneider, who emerged with final say over the roster last year, following the departure of coach Pete Carroll.

Meanwhile DA and Payton on multiple occaisions confrimed that final decision fell with them, the HC.


You don't think Loomis is competent, we get it...but man some of your arguments as to why you think he's incompetent are easier than you realize to poke holes in. You'd do better by just saying, I think another GM would do a better job.

 

[St. Geezy]

It's not just cosmetic and it's not just data. It's structural and impacts what we see on the field. Today's news isn't news. Everyone knew that was going to happen last year when it was clear Ram wasn't playing again. The accountants just had to wait a year because of the mess they made.

You don’t believe we could have created more space to add more adequate depth if we wanted to (assuming that’s what you’re referring to)?

I think when the GM says we are going to go less aggressive with the restructures this (last) off-season and only do the bare minimum, that needs to be accounted for when evaluating the efficiency of the process that’s being critiqued.

 

[Stalwart385]

People take their anger out on the cap but the truth is that its been unforeseen injuries and player dropoffs that has did us in. Injuries will derail any team's plan every year no matter how green a cap looks.

Ramczyk great example.
Cam Jordan fell off the cliff at extension.
Mathieu to a bit of lesser extent.
Interior OL has had injury after injury over the past 3-4 years.

People can't focus their anger at bad luck so they find someone to focus it on. DA is gone, next up ML and Carr.

 

[St. Geezy]

People can't focus their anger at bad luck so they find someone to focus it on. DA is gone, next up ML and Carr.

A bad football team’s fans always need to have a mascot for the badness to throw stones at.

If ML was fired alongside DA at midseason, it would be Mrs. Benson catching the heat.

 

[SaintRob]

A bad football team’s fans always need to have a mascot for the badness to throw stones at.

If ML was fired alongside DA at midseason, it would be Mrs. Benson catching the heat.

I would think that if both of those happened, optimism would be at it's highest point since we won the Super Bowl.

 

[Covington Saint]

A bad football team’s fans always need to have a mascot for the badness to throw stones at.

If ML was fired alongside DA at midseason, it would be Mrs. Benson catching the heat.

mrs. b catches heat all the time.

missing 14 starters, 3rd string qb with no wide receivers, lose by 3...

muh OUR OWNER IS A WOMAN!!!!!!!!! ROARRRR SHE designed closets.... ROARRRRR... she only cares about priests and stuff ROARRRRRRRRRRR

 

[SweetT]

 

[faceman]

No doubt Loomis deserves the blame either way. But since he's not going anywhere right now, at least we know that if he ends up hiring the right coach that does evaluate players properly and does know how to build a roster Loomis will give him the roster he wants. Hopefully without adding void years and singing aging vets to big deals with void years. Of course, if he gets the hire wrong, he will also give the coach the roster he wants.

I'm not totally confident Loomis is going to get this rebuild totally right, but I do think he moved in the right direction last year by not maximizing the restructures and with the Lattimore trade. My main fear is that he's going to go YOLO again spending in free agency and trading up in the draft.

I have posted many negative things about trading up in the past. It sometimes works though. We traded our 5th and 6th
to move up in the 2nd round last year. We selected Kool - Aid and so far it's looking good. The Olave and Davenport
trade obviously didn't.

 

[St. Widge]

I have posted many negative things about trading up in the past. It sometimes works though. We traded our 5th and 6th
to move up in the 2nd round last year. We selected Kool - Aid and so far it's looking good. The Olave and Davenport
trade obviously didn't.

That's fair. It worked when they traded up for AK too. But, I do think on a team with so many needs and so little depth they should stop even doing deals to move up for late picks for a few years. We need all those picks for depth right now and no one player is really going to make that big of a difference in the results.

That is unless that player is a QB that turns out to be a franchise QB.

 

[MikeyF]

I have posted many negative things about trading up in the past. It sometimes works though. We traded our 5th and 6th
to move up in the 2nd round last year. We selected Kool - Aid and so far it's looking good. The Olave and Davenport
trade obviously didn't.

Kool-Aid became a starting CB by the end of the year. I don't think he should be in the Davenport dumpster fire of trades...
Kool-Aid really stepped up his play after the Lattimore trade...

As with everything in life some trades work...some don't.

But for the most part I'm like you, I don't like trading away draft picks.

 

[kennydfresh]

Question for the math geniuses smarter than me. After all the cuts and restructures, how much money are we expecting to have under the cap to spend?