Update Saints will interview Mike McCarthy in person during this week, Jan. 20-Jan. 25 [Underhill: McCarthy would have to be the current favorite] (31 Viewers)

[DSnfla]

Because young upstart coaches end up winning Super Bowls a lot more often than old coaches that won a Super Bowl 2 teams ago. I know McCarthy's credentials look appealing, but he's no longer in his prime. If he's the hire, I hope he proves me wrong. However, history states that Brady or some other new coach is more likely to lead a team to the Super bowl before McCarthy does.

This board is wild. In one thread, people are mocking the Cowboys for being the only team to not reach the NFC Championship game this millennium, in another people are screaming hire their coach!

That's because Jones runs the Cowboys not the HC

 

[DSnfla]

Bill Belichick's resume was even better last year. Teams look at history, long term impact. History says this doesn't end well. Teams look at what has worked before.

Look, I've got nothing against McCarthy. I think he's a good coach. But like signing Derek Carr, I don't think it's a long term plan. It just prolongs the inevitable. I was in favor of signing Carr because of where the franchise was at the time. Now? I'd look to the future. I hope I'm wrong because I think McCarthy would have to defecate on the trophy case on Airline Hwy to not get the job.

BB wants FULL control and after not doing so well after Brady he lost some clout. McCarthy had multiple 12-5 yrs and that's in spite of Jerry's meddling

 

[DSnfla]

Andy Reid had never won a Super bowl before the Chiefs.
Belichick had never won a Super bowl before the Patriots.

That's not the same.

And you're ignoring that one of the people from your example, only got one sniff at head coach last year. Nothing I said was inaccurate. Show me a former Super Bowl winning coach who has rebuilt another team into a Super Bowl winner. I want the Saints to contend for Super Bowls, not be good enough to be competitive.

McCarthy wouldn't be horrible, but I'd prefer the odds if we give a new coach a try. Could it fail? Yes, but at least the Saints will have tried something that has a track record of success versus something that doesn't. And again, hoping that a former Super Bowl winning head coach over the age of 60 gets his third different team to the big game doesn't have a history of success. Young, motivated new coaches does though.

This " No HC has ever WON a SB with 2 different teams is an anomaly. Most SB winning HCs stay with their teams for multiple yrs. If they win more than 1 SB with that team they stay for decades, especially if the team still does well. Then after decades they retire.

There have been many HC that won a SB and then made it back to the SB with different teams. If McCarthy gets us to another SB , I'll take my chances

Don Shula — Baltimore (1968); Miami (1971-73, 1982, 1984)

Bill Parcells — N.Y. Giants (1986, 1990); New England (1996)

Dan Reeves — Denver (1986-87, 1989); Atlanta (1998)

Dick Vermeil — Philadelphia (1980); St. Louis (1999)

Mike Holmgren — Green Bay (1996-97); Seattle (2005)

John Fox — Carolina (2003); Denver (2013)

Andy Reid — Philadelphia (2004); Kansas City (2019, 2020, 2022, 2023)

 

[DSnfla]

Your reading comprehension sucks if that's all you got out of my post. How many of those coach's won Super Bowls for their second or third team too? Don't run away Mikey, answer the question. How many?

McCarthy has a full rebuild ahead of him here. Going into his third year here, he'd be 64 with hopefully a better roster. It's not the same as Andy Reid who was still hungry to win and in his 50 when he got to Kansas City.

Absurd , How do you know McCarthy's desire to win??? Especially after getting out from under Jerry's thumb. Payton took over the Broncos when he was 59 and they were in far worse shape than we are.
Pete Carroll is 73 and may very well get the Raiders job and their rebuild is way more than ours

 

[DSnfla]

If McCarthy hasn't forgotten how to win playoff games, then why does he almost never win them anymore in the last 7 or so years? More so, when he plays against playoff caliber teams in the season, why does he often lose?

Its not JUST playoff games. Its anytime he's up against a good head coach. Just look at their schedule. The only good team they beat this year was going 1-1 against the Commanders and beat the Buccaneers (due to a missed field goal by the bucs). Every other good team, they lost... and often embarrassingly so. The results weren't any better last year. Or the year before that, and the year before that and so on.

McCarthy gets out coached all the time by good coaches.

With that rationale I guess Mike McDaniels is an awful HC because in the yrs he's been with Miami he rarely beats teams with winning records

You don't go 12-5 3 yrs straight no matter what your playoff record without beating good teams and good HCs

 

[Saint Spud]

That's the thing with McCarthy. You get good, not great, but you have a high floor. With someone else, you have a chance at great. But the odds are that it will be more like DA. That's why there's a high turnover on HCs in the NFL, because most HCs in the NFL fail.

But I think McCarthy + Loomis > McCarthy + Jerry.

I think McCarthy with a great QB could deliver you great. Like he did with prime Rodgers and GB.

Probably the same as with most good coaches. I’m cool with that.

 

[DSnfla]

So I am curious here…are you saying that Reid and Belichick had some sort of inherent advantage with their new respective teams because they DIDN’T win Super Bowls before?

So if McNabb doesn’t blow the Eagles’ Super Bowl back in 2004, Reid is at some sort of disadvantage years later in your eyes?

Need more explanation here.

He like others have found this stat anomaly to justify not hiring a former SB winning coach. I explained what it's an anomaly. SB winning HCs stay with their teams for yrs and HC that win multiple SBs stay for decades and then usually retire , like a Bill Cower or Knoll or most of the multiple SB winning HCs

But what they all fail to mention is that there have been multiple HCs that have won a SB and then made it to another. Which if McCarthy makes it to the SB with us, I'll take my chances

 

[DSnfla]

I don't understand the Joe Brady appeal at all.

I have been shouting that to the heavens and can't get an intelligent answer. Maybe its LSU homerism but I'm an LSU guy and I don't get it. He was not the playcaller @ LSU nor the OC. He brought Payton's concepts to the greatest offense ever in college football. After ONE yr he takes the job in Car where he BOMBS. He gets the QB coach job in Buff and when they fire Dorsey the guy they went 13-3 the yr before naturally they promote him to be OC. He tweaks an already ELITE QB in Allen for exactly a yr and a half and now he's everyone's golden boy???

Brady may wind up one day being a good HC but nothing I see from his interviews tells me right now he is a leader of men kind of guy. OR that he is a great OC

 

[DSnfla]

Sean Payton prototype, with recent past success in the culture. Offensive wild-man.

He comes from the Coached-Drew Brees-and-Joe Burrow tree.

Now he's with Josh Allen. Brady would coach up Rattler or go get his guy.

INSANITY

He's NOT a Payton prototype, SP had been a coach for 12 yrs before he was an OC, and a OC for 6yrs before we got him. Brady has been an OC for 3 yrs and bombed for half of that.
Offensive wild man??? More insanity @ LSU he was not even the OC nor did he CALL PLAYS . He was not even the QB coach Ensminger was. He was the passing game coordinator/ WR coach. He brought Payton's concepts to LSU, plus LSU had the greatest collection of skilled player even on a college football team.

He was an OFFENSIVE ASSISTANT with the Saints for TWO YRS. He did NOT coach Brees

He goes to Car and BOMBS as a OC then gets hired as QBs coach to work with an ALREADY elite Allen. They fire Dorsey the OC who helped get then to a 13-3 record the yr before because McDermott was on the hot seat and naturally they promote the QBs coach to OC. Where he tweaks a top 3-4 QB by making him run the ball more.

Brady may one day be a good HC but nothing indicates he is ready . Right now he's fool's gold and all of you are picking it up

 

[DSnfla]

McCarthy can as well. And even if he doesn't, Because he's 62 next season, there's a greater chance he retires in 4 years anyway. Also note, there's NO chance he's in New Orleans for 15 plus years.

I'm sure that was the thinking when Denver TRADED for Payton, that there's no way he'll be here for the next 15 yrs. If McCarthy does want he did in Dallas go 12-5 in his 2nd yr he's not looking at retirement anytime soon

 

[DSnfla]

He followed that with this:


A player will always choose the least amount of change move, imo.

YUP worked out great for the Raiders, didn't it . NEVER let the players chose the HC

 

[texasjefe]

INSANITY

He's NOT a Payton prototype, SP had been a coach for 12 yrs before he was an OC, and a OC for 6yrs before we got him. Brady has been an OC for 3 yrs and bombed for half of that.
Offensive wild man??? More insanity @ LSU he was not even the OC nor did he CALL PLAYS . He was not even the QB coach Ensminger was. He was the passing game coordinator/ WR coach. He brought Payton's concepts to LSU, plus LSU had the greatest collection of skilled player even on a college football team.

He was an OFFENSIVE ASSISTANT with the Saints for TWO YRS. He did NOT coach Brees

He goes to Car and BOMBS as a OC then gets hired as QBs coach to work with an ALREADY elite Allen. They fire Dorsey the OC who helped get then to a 13-3 record the yr before because McDermott was on the hot seat and naturally they promote the QBs coach to OC. Where he tweaks a top 3-4 QB by making him run the ball more.

Brady may one day be a good HC but nothing indicates he is ready . Right now he's fool's gold and all of you are picking it up

Today's special... excuses for Ken Dorsey.

You can minimize Brady, that's fine. I'd prefer him over outdated McCarthy given the state of the team. The Mickey show is soft and kinda checked out, so of course he'll find McCarthy comfortable.

Anyhow, here's your Dorsey at work.

 

[DSnfla]

Today's special... excuses for Ken Dorsey.

You can minimize Brady, that's fine. I'd prefer him over outdated McCarthy given the state of the team. The Mickey show is soft and kinda checked out, so of course he'll find McCarthy comfortable.

Anyhow, here's your Dorsey at work.

Typical , you just ignored my debunking of all your points on Brady and chose to post a vid of Dorsey. I guess since Tom Brady threw a tablet down in frustration more than once he's a bad QB . You offer nothing to support your argument that Joe Brady is going to be the next great HC. SMH SMH SMH