So the Jags were mic'd up during DC4's outburst.... (1 Viewer)

[WhoDat?DrewDat]

The instant that Carr decides to take his non throwing hand off the ball is when he decides to throw it, he even loads up before then. Olave is just hitting the 20 when he does that, and Olave doesn’t really pull up noticeably until after the 25 (ball is out well before then). More importantly:

1. Olave wasn’t an option to begin with
2. Olave’s route didn’t affect Hill getting open, who was read #1

The narrative that he threw it away makes no sense, he still could have thrown to Hill if that was his choice.

Again I was not arguing anything you've said here.

Only that Carr was yelling(wrongfully) at Olave because his effort on that route was half arses. Which is exactly what your replay shows. He didnt give full effort at the start and quit 6ish steps in.

Now Carr should have never even thrown his way since that wasn't even his first or second read... but that's another conversation.

 

[not2rich]

He just threw a temper tantrum. Olave barely even jogged 15 yards. Carr locked into the fact that Olave barely Jogged on his clear out route and showed him up to make a point. The wrong point overall cause he made himself look like a huge arse in the end.

So on third down, you decide to "show up" Olave instead of, I don't know, trying to get a first down? I hope that's not true. And I don't think it is. Because if it is, signing Carr was a huge mistake.

 

[not2rich]

I think what is getting lost in all of this is this is a culmination of issues from CO, that's why DC gets so hot. If this was CO's first half-arse incident then I doubt the blow-up would have happened. This started games ago from the false start AK mentioned a bit back to the Texans game where CO had no clue what the play was when everyone else did in the last 4 plays. CO was getting plenty of balls thrown to him in the 1st 2-3 games then it slacks off and he goes into pout mode? Maybe , maybe not but something happened., Last yr CO was the main guy, this yr with MT back and Shaheed coming on maybe he feels like the middle child but whatever it's UNPROFESSIONAL.as much as DC dressing him down on the field which I don't think would have happened if this was an isolated incident

I don't really care what CO did prior to this game, any issues you should address in practice or anywhere otherwise other than the forking game. What's unprofessional is trying to make a point or teach someone a lesson, or whatever, instead of throwing to open receivers that would result in a first down contribute to winning the forking game.

 

[Deuuuuce]

Even if you’re 3rd or heck, 4th in a progression, you always run expecting the ball to come to you. Also if you loaf and someone catches the ball underneath, you make the dbs job so much easier to just come up and make the tackle. No excuse for not running hard.

 

[DJ1BigTymer]

Even if you’re 3rd or heck, 4th in a progression. You always run expecting the ball to come to you. Also if you loaf and someone catches the ball underneath, you make the dbs job so much easier to just come up and make the tackle. No excuse for not running hard.

Except he wasn't in the progression AT ALL and that fact is confirmed by MT13.

 

[RebSaint]

The dysfunction on offense is everyone's responsibility involved with coaching and playing on offense: DC,PC,Carr, the line, skill positions, etc. The problem isn't just Carr, it's communication (everyone's responsibility), but the yelling and passive-aggressive blame game Carr has shown isn't helping and is TERRIBLE optics as a leader.

Could Carr be effective with better playcalling and coaching? Probably, but one thing for sure is that no one individual owns this mess.

I remember a TC report that MT was frustrated because he was not on the same page as Carr. MT didn't make a big deal about it, and mentioned that it was still TC, but I filed that small bit of information to see if the issue would carry over into the regular season...well, here we are and the issue goes well beyond just developing chemistry with MT.

 

[Deuuuuce]

Except he wasn't in the progression AT ALL and that fact is confirmed by MT13.

my issue is not that one play. It’s a pattern with Olave. And the fact that his teammates are making excuses for him too is not a good sign.

 

[St. Pike]

I am not sure what people are arguing here. If Olave was at fault for not running the route as he should have, then Carr is responsible for not going through is progression and hitting an open Hill. This play may be an indication of how broken the offense is. Carr: "Hey Olave, you going to be unprofessional, well, I got you, I'll do the same, only better."

The whole offense is to blame for this !


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[demented]

I'm with Carr on this one. He's been watching Olave half assing routes all game. I don't think Carr was throwing the ball at Olave as a read/alert, he was just throwing it away at the only receiver near the boundary. He was so pissed that he then sprinted over to take a chunk out of the dudes arse. You're blaming Carr for the cumulative disfunction(as if the O-Line hasn't gotten him killed for 7 games) and our OC(is calling sheet plays) while Olave has been jogging routes. Blame the arse who isn't even trying to do their job first then come back around to everyone else when the low hanging fruit is taken care of.

 

[not2rich]

I'm with Carr on this one. He's been watching Olave half assing routes all game. I don't think Carr was throwing the ball at Olave as a read/alert, he was just throwing it away at the only receiver near the boundary. He was so P'Oed that he then sprinted over to take a chunk out of the dudes arse. You're blaming Carr for the cumulative disfunction(as if the O-Line hasn't gotten him killed for 7 games) and our OC(is calling sheet plays) while Olave has been jogging routes. Blame the arse who isn't even trying to do their job first then come back around to everyone else when the low hanging fruit is taken care of.

This would be a better story if there weren't two receivers in his read progressions that were open. You want to blame the o-line, the OC, Olave, fine. But to act like Carr doesn't have his own issues to fix? Come on - the issues are multiple and Carr has more than his share of them.

 

[DSnfla]

I don't really care what CO did prior to this game, any issues you should address in practice or anywhere otherwise other than the forking game. What's unprofessional is trying to make a point or teach someone a lesson, or whatever, instead of throwing to open receivers that would result in a first down contribute to winning the forking game.

Ridiculous, you think the issues in previous games were not addressed?
Whatever was said didn't work because after the false start and the not knowing the play at a crucial part of the Texan game CO still runs a half-arse route. Even AK called CO out a few games back. This to me looks like an alert route. Right or wrong and it's probably wrong TH should have been the target you don't HALF-ARSE a route which CO has already took the blame. Yeah the throw was off but QB's make off throws all the time. You still run the route hard

 

[Rexman100]

I'd settle for get better at his job.

All will be forgotten if they can string five straight wins

 

[BarBar]

And it was kinda funny...



Chuckled but shook my head at the same time...

Everyone in the stadium knew it wasn't there except Carr and Dennis Allen.

 

[BarBar]

I am not sure what people are arguing here. If Olave was at fault for not running the route as he should have, then Carr is responsible for not going through is progression and hitting an open Hill. This play may be an indication of how broken the offense is. Carr: "Hey Olave, you going to be unprofessional, well, I got you, I'll do the same, only better."

The whole offense is to blame for this !


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I also don't see why it has to be one or the other. Both guys didn't give their best....yet the play could have still worked if the QB keeps his cool.

 

[BayouSAINTJoe]

The worst part of all this is that no one on Airline is going to hold Carr accountable for this...DA put it at Olaves feet. Everything that went wrong is lost on Olave slowing down after a ball that sailed 30 yards OOB was already thrown.

And for the record MT isn't "making excuses" for Olave....he's telling yall what the GD play was supposed to be.

The biggest person in this whole show was Olave for taking responsibility for that wasn't even his fault.