Soooo when is it NOT Fire Season??? Franklin fire in Malibu CA (2 Viewers)

[superchuck500]

Pallisades Fire perimeter seems pretty stable for 24 hours or so now - hopefully with winds reducing tomorrow, they can make headway.

 

[SamAndreas]

That's very cool. I wonder, though, would the fires have gotten hot enough to melt the medals? Wouldn't they still be there in the rubble? Of course, there would be the trouble of finding them in the ashes and debris, if someone was allowed to even go into there.

Oh yeah, that fire is burning very hot when the wind blows on it, those metals are gold, silver, and bronze. It would easily burn away those metals, even steel would burn at those high wind blasted fire temperatures.

Those metals would burn as well as melt. The kindling temperature of steel is 1,600 degrees F. If steel is heated that hot it's ready for a chemical reaction, add oxygen with some force and it will burn readily. It burns, forms smoke and ash. We call burning metal plasma.

During a plasma event the temperatures become so hot it can fire clay soils such that the top layer of soil becomes pottery. If you were to drive through Mariposa on the north end of town you could see some of that fired clay soil which was caused by an extremely hot fire on the last 4th of July.

A well kept building trades secret is that steel is flammable if it is heated to above 1,600 degrees and an air blast or pure oxygen is added. That's why steel in buildings is often coated with a thick layer of fire stop. The fire stop slows the heating process such that a wood fire can burn, and burn out and cool down before it heats the steel too hot.

Plasma event fire is wicked, two good side by side examples are the twin towers collapse in New York, that was a twin plasma event. First the buildings burned for hours and the internal temperature slowly overcame the one-hour fire stop coatings, and one-hour fire doors failed. At a certain point a several story section of the buildings reached the kindling point for steel, and the air blast effect of a tall building on fire without enough fire doors being left intact to stop that air movement created plasma which almost instantaneously spread. It removed the steel frame from within the building in seconds, and in seconds the the entire buildings collapsed into a pool of molten steel in the basement. The molten metal from the steel frame of the building arrived in the basement first, quickly followed by everything else those buildings had been.

You can watch it happen here:

 

[CapitalCitySaint]

Oh yeah, that fire is burning very hot when the wind blows on it, those metals are gold, silver, and bronze. It would easily burn away those metals, even steel would burn at those high wind blasted fire temperatures.

Those metals would burn as well as melt. The kindling temperature of steel is 1,600 degrees F. If steel is heated that hot it's ready for a chemical reaction, add oxygen with some force and it will burn readily. It burns, forms smoke and ash. We call burning metal plasma.

During a plasma event the temperatures become so hot it can fire clay soils such that the top layer of soil becomes pottery. If you were to drive through Mariposa on the north end of town you could see some of that fired clay soil which was caused by an extremely hot fire on the last 4th of July.

A well kept building trades secret is that steel is flammable if it is heated to above 1,600 degrees and an air blast or pure oxygen is added. That's why steel in buildings is often coated with a thick layer of fire stop. The fire stop slows the heating process such that a wood fire can burn, and burn out and cool down before it heats the steel too hot.

Plasma event fire is wicked, two good side by side examples are the twin towers collapse in New York, that was a twin plasma event. First the buildings burned for hours and the internal temperature slowly overcame the one-hour fire stop coatings, and one-hour fire doors failed. At a certain point a several story section of the buildings reached the kindling point for steel, and the air blast effect of a tall building on fire without enough fire doors being left intact to stop that air movement created plasma which almost instantaneously spread. It removed the steel frame from within the building in seconds, and in seconds the the entire buildings collapsed into a pool of molten steel in the basement. The molten metal from the steel frame of the building arrived in the basement first, quickly followed by everything else those buildings had been.

You can watch it happen here:

You know a thing or two about a thing or two. LOL. How do you know so much about so many things? Are you actually 5 different people? I am always impressed with your detailed knowledge around different topics.

 

[TheRealJRad]

Oh yeah, that fire is burning very hot when the wind blows on it, those metals are gold, silver, and bronze. It would easily burn away those metals, even steel would burn at those high wind blasted fire temperatures.

Those metals would burn as well as melt. The kindling temperature of steel is 1,600 degrees F. If steel is heated that hot it's ready for a chemical reaction, add oxygen with some force and it will burn readily. It burns, forms smoke and ash. We call burning metal plasma.

During a plasma event the temperatures become so hot it can fire clay soils such that the top layer of soil becomes pottery. If you were to drive through Mariposa on the north end of town you could see some of that fired clay soil which was caused by an extremely hot fire on the last 4th of July.

A well kept building trades secret is that steel is flammable if it is heated to above 1,600 degrees and an air blast or pure oxygen is added. That's why steel in buildings is often coated with a thick layer of fire stop. The fire stop slows the heating process such that a wood fire can burn, and burn out and cool down before it heats the steel too hot.

Plasma event fire is wicked, two good side by side examples are the twin towers collapse in New York, that was a twin plasma event. First the buildings burned for hours and the internal temperature slowly overcame the one-hour fire stop coatings, and one-hour fire doors failed. At a certain point a several story section of the buildings reached the kindling point for steel, and the air blast effect of a tall building on fire without enough fire doors being left intact to stop that air movement created plasma which almost instantaneously spread. It removed the steel frame from within the building in seconds, and in seconds the the entire buildings collapsed into a pool of molten steel in the basement. The molten metal from the steel frame of the building arrived in the basement first, quickly followed by everything else those buildings had been.

You can watch it happen here:

Then became a conspiracy, oh internet.

 

[porculator]

A well kept building trades secret is that steel is flammable if it is heated to above 1,600 degrees and an air blast or pure oxygen is added. That's why steel in buildings is often coated with a thick layer of fire stop. The fire stop slows the heating process such that a wood fire can burn, and burn out and cool down before it heats the steel too hot.

Yes everyone needs to realize that no building material is "fireproof." Some assemblies are fire rated in that they are rated to withstand fire for X hours (such as the steel fireproofing, which can be thickened to achieve 1,2,3,4 hr ratings.) But even then, the whole concept of fire-rating structures is to give everyone enough time to get out before the building burns to the ground.
And they don't even apply to single family residential.
I think California has added some standards about not having "combustable" materials at this point, which would slow down the fire assuming there is no other fuel (such as trees or gas lines) but nothing is "fireproof".

 

[superchuck500]

 

[Sailorsaint]

Southern accent, so probably from out of town.

 

[SamAndreas]

You know a thing or two about a thing or two. LOL. How do you know so much about so many things? Are you actually 5 different people? I am always impressed with your detailed knowledge around different topics.

I'm a cat who's used up 4 of their 9 lives.

Aren't you a cat,,, also?

I've been thinking you were a cat.

I'm a married cat.

 

[Eeyore]

I saw a report that it's nearing San Diego. Are you ok CCS?

 

[CapitalCitySaint]

I saw a report that it's nearing San Diego. Are you ok CCS?

There are a couple fires out northeast of San Diego, a good hour away from me so all good here.

There was a fire 1.8 miles from my place yesterday on a hill in a pretty densely populated area. SDFD got it under control pretty quickly (Friars Fire was what they were referring to it as ICYMI). There is a huge apartment complex at the bottom of that hill, a mall across the street and a massive condo complex at the top of the hill. My understanding is that some of the apartments did burn.

I posted this before but will repost here because it's hard to go look for it but this is a dashboard if you want to keep track of the fires in CA

California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection | CAL FIRE

www.fire.ca.gov

It's dry AF here. My cracked lips had just healed from the previous two weeks when the humidity returned over the weekend then I woke up yesterday parched and feeling like a human raisin. I'm over it. I don't know how people live in the desert.

 

[CapitalCitySaint]

The current Bernardo fire is one to watch. That area is particularly dry with lots of hills with dry brush but wind is pretty low here so I think they should be able to contain it pretty easily.

The one from yesterday by me I would be willing to bet started by a tweaker flicking a cigarette or a flying ember from a meth pipe.

 

[longtime lurker]

Just incredible footage from the pov of C130s that were dumping water on the fires…the sound that the water “jet” nozzle makes is interesting.

 

[Sailorsaint]

Just incredible footage from the pov of C130s that were dumping water on the fires…the sound that the water “jet” nozzle makes is interesting.

That would peel the skin off your face for sure.