SXSW Bully sucker punch. Justified or cheap? (1 Viewer)

[MrEMann83]

A very good friend of my dad's died in the street in a similar situation. I never met him but from what I gather he would not hurt a fly, but some scumbag waited for things to cool off after a few words were exchanged and sucker punched him on his blindside just like this. He was dead before he hit the ground. The guy he hit him came from a good family but is now serving time for manslaughter.

Since that situation, I cannot view something like this as ok or deserved. If, as it seems, he had decided he was going to step in, fine. Push him, square up to him, let him know you have a problem and you want to sort it out. Then fight him if you really must. The guy probably deserved a lesson, but punching anyone blindside to the temple is being a scumbag IMHO

What also disturbs me is the people with the camera phones, screaming you got knocked the **** out etc. The guy could, like my dad's friend, have been dead. Imagine if you were the family afterwards and had to see this back at an inquest. Hundreds of human beings laughing and hollering around a lifeless body whilst scrambling to get the best Instagram pic. Pretty indicative of what is wrong with parts of 21st century society.

This post puts a face to the situationI described, 5/5 green thumbs. My 2 posts, 17 red thumbs outa 23... smh

 

[FuzzyDunlop]

50% of this guy's posts are him complaining about how many red-thumbs he gets.

It's almost as if people don't like him complaining about how many red-thumbs he gets.

I wonder how long it will take to figure out.

 

[Flipx99]

This post puts a face to the situationI described, 5/5 green thumbs. My 2 posts, 17 red thumbs outa 23... smh

The green thumbs you received were probably by accident, damn Iphones.

 

[WhoDat9to12]

 

[TheDeparted]

50% of this guy's posts are him complaining about how many red-thumbs he gets.

It's almost as if people don't like him complaining about how many red-thumbs he gets.

I wonder how long it will take to figure out.

The first rule about red thumbs is, you don't talk about red thumbs

 

[Galbreath34]

So what is the back story?

How much more back story do you need when you see two guys backing away not fighting and an ***hat slapping faces and acting like a total drunken chimp? If there was a real confrontation and he reacts that way instead of throwing down, he deserves what he got. It's pretty clear the guy was a drunk taunting guys because he thought he could without counterattack, then enter stage left: boom. There is no back story imaginable that would change the interpretation of those minutes on video.

The very fact that you want to justify the guy that went to jail shows you have some empathy, because you could see yourself feeling "justified" acting like he did before he got clocked. I'm glad I don't know more about you.

 

[El Caliente]

I am looking for a back story because I don't feel like we need to go around labeling people in this situation (like you do) without the proper information. Obviously something had to have happened to set him off (maybe I am wrong, and you are right). But I just don't feel the need to label somebody something without knowing what took place prior.

Makes me think of the Trevon Martin case. Here you have a kid in a hoodie (who you would probably be cautious of considering your willing to judge this guy off the way he looks and acts) who got shot. If somebody shows you the clip of Martin and (whatever the guys name who killed him) you probably would have said the guy was defending himself and Martin was the instigator (just going off of what your feeding me about your quick character evaluation on this thread). We now have a good back story so we have a good idea how things played out, and who the players were.

I hope I never see you on any jury. You will have your mind made up about a person before the trial even gets started.

 

[Twyst]

I am looking for a back story because I don't feel like we need to go around labeling people in this situation (like you do) without the proper information. Obviously something had to have happened to set him off (maybe I am wrong, and you are right). But I just don't feel the need to label somebody something without knowing what took place prior.

Makes me think of the Trevon Martin case. Here you have a kid in a hoodie (who you would probably be cautious of considering your willing to judge this guy off the way he looks and acts) who got shot. If somebody shows you the clip of Martin and (whatever the guys name who killed him) you probably would have said the guy was defending himself and Martin was the instigator (just going off of what your feeding me about your quick character evaluation on this thread). We now have a good back story so we have a good idea how things played out, and who the players were.

I hope I never see you on any jury. You will have your mind made up about a person before the trial even gets started.

Give me one example of a circumstance where it is OK to punch people in the face who clearly want no part of a fight with you. Who cares what happened before this, you cant just punch people in the face. He clearly wasnt doing it out of self defense, so that makes him a bully.

 

[Galbreath34]

Honestly, I can tell if it's 100% trolling or not. Seems like it. I sure hope so.

 

[El Caliente]

Trying to get a back story is trolling? Since when? The court sustem is built on trolling is what your telling me. That and "people that don't agree with me are trolls." I even admitted the guy could be the bully, I just want to know what set him off before we go and label somebody we don't know from Adam.

Sounds more like you trying to justify judging people in spite of not having a clear set of evidence other than a choppy cut up video. For all we know the two guys started it and backed up they realized the guy wasn't somebody to mess with.

Trolling...smdh. Seriously, stay away from the judicial system at all costs. Your going to get somebody killed.

 

[Devildog]

 

[GhostFace]

In full disclosure, I didn't read the entire thread

But...

I don't consider it a sucker punch.

If you are visibly trying to fight and slapping random people in a crowd, it is not a sucker punch if one of the random people gives you what you asked for.

The "bully" chose the arena and therefore should have been aware of his surroundings. A punch from the group should be expected in this circumstance. Its his fault for creating a situation in which he didn't have the skills to exist.

A "sucker punch" to me, is a punch you had no reason to expect receiving.

If you are open hand slapping (and laughing at) people who clearly don't want to fight, you better watch your back (or side.) I think that is probably a good universal rule to live by.

It was funny that the knock out punch thrower says "boom" when he hits him.


There is also a difference in whom you are attacking. For instance, if he were doing this to girls, no one would call it a sucker punch.

The open hand slap to the poor guy by the tree sort of takes it in a different direction. The guy clearly doesn't have the skills to defend himself and the slap/laugh delivered sets the crowd into a different collective mind state.

Most people's mind set will then go from strictly observer to possible victim. This usually gives them the justification to be involved as an extension of self defense.

One could argue that the crowds simple presence removes any justification; They could have simply left. But, it can also be argued that if the police are not present, the observers presence there, can be a moral duty. They can justify staying as group protection for the possible victims of the aggressor.

So yeah, the guy created a situation he couldn't handle and got handled

That its my 2 cents.

 

[Galbreath34]

Trolling...smdh. Seriously, stay away from the judicial system at all costs. Your going to get somebody killed.

We saw the video of the defendant choking the woman and what look liked forceful rough sex, but c'mon what's the backstory? She was screaming no and kicking, but there's no way to get the full story from this 10 minute video. What's the backstory? How can we tell she wasn't asking for it?

Please, stay away from the judicial system at all costs dude.

 

[El Caliente]

Well at least I won't have on my head the knowledge that I put an innocent man behind bars if the backstory came out that he was actually in the right.

And has somebody found out about the cold clocker and his boy? Any word on if the Cops questioned them?

 

[Brennan77]

I agree the guy got what he deserved. It's a natural reaction to want that kind of justice.

That said, it's hard to believe something like that can cause serious injury or death unless you've seen it. It happens more than you might think. A family member of mine was in a fight and killed a guy with one punch. He was 16. The other guy was 19, on drugs, and picked the fight. One guy lost his life. The other spent 4 years in jail, losing some of the most formative years of a man's life. No one intended for that to happen.

It aint worth it unless there is no other choice.