Taysom Hill and Route Running (2 Viewers)

[OldTimeGamer1966]

TE route tree is limited..they don't run the complete route tree ever....it's more about hitting seams, finding the holes in the second and third layer as a release value, body up the DB and finally...catch the ball when it's thrown to them.

The great TE"s do all the above only they are fast, jump higher, bigger with an attitude that nobody can stop them.

If taysom gets open and catches the ball he's going to punish people trying to bring him down no doubt about it.

Or he'll out run them all in a footrace. he's extremely fast for his size.

Hopefully he will be but that foot injury is still a question mark.

 

[Koketsu_Sama]

Taysom will be fine

 

[ELLIASJWILLIAMS]

As a devoted Saints fan who never played football and whose knowledge of the intricacies of the game is very limited, I am constantly indebted to the folks in this forum who provide such remarkable insights; and I have a question for those who have experience on this subject. With Taysom Hill becoming a dedicated tight end (seems like a great move to me), how difficult will it be for him to become really adept at running routes and creating separation? Taysom appears to have the strength and the speed to be outstanding at that position; but route running at the NFL level seems to be a very difficult skill to master. There are really two questions: having watched Hill play, how would you rate his current ability to run routes? And -- whatever his current skill level -- how difficult will it be for him to develop NFL level competence at running tight end routes? (And one last question, please: are the routes run by tight ends somewhat simpler than those run by other receivers?) Many thanks for sharing your wisdom.

I guess you can say he's an average route runner? I don't know how much of a ceiling you have to turn a 30+ guy into an elite route runner. You probably wouldn't ask him to run many sophisticated routes. It would be more about getting him the ball quickly and letting him make guys miss in open field. Quicker you can get the ball into his hands the better.

 

[OldTimeGamer1966]

Taysom will be fine

I think so ...just glad he is going back and the whole QB experiment is done let him thrive where he belongs doing this and that.

 

[26ISTHEMAN]

Reading this thread makes me wonder if people on this forum watch games a Sundays. Cause if they did, they would know that Hill has produced in this league for several years now, whether at TE, WR, RB, QB or special teams. He has scored tds by throwing, running and receiving. He has blocked punts and returned kickoffs at a high level. I remember the Minn playoff game where people were upset that he didn’t get more touches, seeing as he was carrying he team.

Maybe we should be happy to have a guy that does so many things and does them well.

 

[inetnawlins]

Reading this thread makes me wonder if people on this forum watch games a Sundays. Cause if they did, they would know that Hill has produced in this league for several years now, whether at TE, WR, RB, QB or special teams. He has scored tds by throwing, running and receiving. He has blocked punts and returned kickoffs at a high level. I remember the Minn playoff game where people were upset that he didn’t get more touches, seeing as he was carrying he team.

Maybe we should be happy to have a guy that does so many things and does them well.

This.

 

[bigdaddysaints]

Reading this thread makes me wonder if people on this forum watch games a Sundays. Cause if they did, they would know that Hill has produced in this league for several years now, whether at TE, WR, RB, QB or special teams. He has scored tds by throwing, running and receiving. He has blocked punts and returned kickoffs at a high level. I remember the Minn playoff game where people were upset that he didn’t get more touches, seeing as he was carrying he team.

Maybe we should be happy to have a guy that does so many things and does them well.

Can't argue with that.
But, some people watch football and are not as knowledgeable. Nothing wrong with asking the question.

 

[dutar76]

Every play that he steps on the field, a defense will have to watch where he lines up and try to mitigate him. DA said he'll be a tight end. That doesn't mean he won't come in at FB, RB, and yes... as a wildcat and/or Passing QB. Unless DA and Carmichael decide to pigeonhole taysom into one specific role, I think we're going to see him do what he's been doing, just less as a passer and not as a potential starting QB.

As far as route running... probably see plays designed to scheme him open and get the ball in his hands fast, out in space, with some bodyguards out in front of him. Precise rout running probably won't be needed a lot.

 

[OldTimeGamer1966]

As along as they keep running qb power with him I’m ok with the growing pains of him learning the details of playing full time TE in the NFL

He doesn't need to be under center for anything just keep him away that needs to be done. He's out of the QB room so he should not be behind center just put him behind Winston and let him play runningback.

 

[Saint Taysom]

Dennis Allen has basically decided that Taysom Hill’s ceiling moving forward is a modern, more athletic, Jim “Crash” Jensen.

 

[Saint Kamara]

holy overthinking batman.

Taysom, run left fast, catch, run safety over. Cool. Good job. Get ball, hit corner, score touchdown. Cool Good job.

This is actually not far from reality.

 

[tomwaits]

Reading this thread makes me wonder if people on this forum watch games a Sundays. Cause if they did, they would know that Hill has produced in this league for several years now, whether at TE, WR, RB, QB or special teams. He has scored tds by throwing, running and receiving. He has blocked punts and returned kickoffs at a high level. I remember the Minn playoff game where people were upset that he didn’t get more touches, seeing as he was carrying he team.

Maybe we should be happy to have a guy that does so many things and does them well.

I have no problem with people asking how his route running will develop now that he is going to full time TE. I think this is a very normal type of question to ask on a football forum.

 

[SWJJ]

TEs don't really have complicated route trees like WRs. Really it's more about finding space in the zone. Coming from a QB position I don't think he will have a hard time.

 

[St. Widge]

I guess you can say he's an average route runner? I don't know how much of a ceiling you have to turn a 30+ guy into an elite route runner. You probably wouldn't ask him to run many sophisticated routes. It would be more about getting him the ball quickly and letting him make guys miss in open field. Quicker you can get the ball into his hands the better.

It does seem unlikely that he can turn into an elite route runner at his age. But, don't you think his experience at QB (along with the time he has spent running routes in past years) will give him a leg up on most 30+ guys learning to be better route runners? It just seems to me that as a former QB, he already knows the route trees, knows how defenses will react to different formations, knows what a TE should do on an option route based on the look, and has to have some idea what makes a bad route vs. a good route. It seems it will be more about him putting what he knows into practice and making it routine and repeatable. Which is no doubt difficult, but he isn't starting from scratch.

 

[St. Widge]

TEs don't really have complicated route trees like WRs. Really it's more about finding space in the zone. Coming from a QB position I don't think he will have a hard time.

Don't you think he will be more of a move/hybrid TE that splits out and runs WR routes? I just can't see him consistently being used an as in-line blocker. He seems more likely to be split out or put in motion running WR routes as basically a big slot WR.