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The Saints have also probably had among the fewest draft picks over the past 5-10 years
 
sammymvpknight said:
The Saints have also probably had among the fewest draft picks over the past 5-10 years
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But has anyone yet demonstrated any actual statistical correlation between more draft picks and championships? (I know that wasn't the point of your post, just picking up on the general assumption it's preferable)

I say this even as someone who generally favours the idea of trading down.
 
David Robbins said:
I didn't know that we currently have the 4th oldest roster in the NFL. This is really due to bad drafting in the early parts of the draft on our part. Guys like Payton Turner, Zach Baun, Adam trautman, and Marcus Davenport have all been busts, or injury riddled up to this point in their careers. 2 aren't even on the team anymore.

The problem is that the saints brain trust knows that some of these players they are drafting are either considered projects and shouldn't be 1st round picks, or that they are injury prone. Yet, they draft them anyway.

Then there's the problem of trading away draft capitol for just 1 player. It's always been a staple that you build a team through the draft with young talent. Then you supplement the rest of the team and it's holes through Free agency. But the saints do it bass ackwards. This usually brings the age numbers up, because you are signing older players.

What bothers me the most is that we have one of the best personnel evaluators in the NFL in Jeff Ireland. Mickey needs to start trusting him and let us start getting younger. And, we will probably need better coaches that are better teachers so that young talent can be developed.

Some of our players are soon going to start to decline and lose a step like:

Cam Jordan
Demario Davis
Tyrun Matthew
James Hurst

Others are going to start to succumb to their injuries as they begin to take a toll on them. Ram, Peat, Winston, Maye and others.

Don't get me wrong. I love this team and think that if things go our way, great things can happen this year. Especially with the schedule we have, and the weakness of our division. Maybe not winning the Superbowl, but getting to the NFC championship game. If the ball can bounce our way for a change, maybe even playing in the big game.

What do y'all think about the age of our roster.
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The Bucs were pretty damn old when they won the Super Bowl.
 
PS quarterbacks and kickers can skew that stat for a lot of teams. If some site goes to the trouble of calculating this stat net of qb's , kickers and punters, it might tell us something. or it might not.
 
Hopefully this translates to 4th savviest or 4th smartest. I'm not worried that our roster is slow, which is the concern even you bust out words like "oldest"
The other negative might be "injury prone" which really is a concern.
 
TribuneUK said:
But has anyone yet demonstrated any actual statistical correlation between more draft picks and championships? (I know that wasn't the point of your post, just picking up on the general assumption it's preferable)

I say this even as someone who generally favours the idea of trading down.
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Speculating... Yes, and that person is employed by an NFL team, and that data is considered intellectual property that is subject to a non disclosure agreement.
 
TenTwo said:
Speculating... Yes, and that person is employed by an NFL team, and that data is considered intellectual property that is subject to a non disclosure agreement.
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Hardly likely given that it's freely available information (draft picks, super bowl wins) and could be done by anyone with time, patience and a calculator.
 
David Robbins said:
I didn't know that we currently have the 4th oldest roster in the NFL. This is really due to bad drafting in the early parts of the draft on our part. Guys like Payton Turner, Zach Baun, Adam trautman, and Marcus Davenport have all been busts, or injury riddled up to this point in their careers. 2 aren't even on the team anymore.

The problem is that the saints brain trust knows that some of these players they are drafting are either considered projects and shouldn't be 1st round picks, or that they are injury prone. Yet, they draft them anyway.

Then there's the problem of trading away draft capitol for just 1 player. It's always been a staple that you build a team through the draft with young talent. Then you supplement the rest of the team and it's holes through Free agency. But the saints do it bass ackwards. This usually brings the age numbers up, because you are signing older players.

What bothers me the most is that we have one of the best personnel evaluators in the NFL in Jeff Ireland. Mickey needs to start trusting him and let us start getting younger. And, we will probably need better coaches that are better teachers so that young talent can be developed.

Some of our players are soon going to start to decline and lose a step like:

Cam Jordan
Demario Davis
Tyrun Matthew
James Hurst

Others are going to start to succumb to their injuries as they begin to take a toll on them. Ram, Peat, Winston, Maye and others.

Don't get me wrong. I love this team and think that if things go our way, great things can happen this year. Especially with the schedule we have, and the weakness of our division. Maybe not winning the Superbowl, but getting to the NFC championship game. If the ball can bounce our way for a change, maybe even playing in the big game.

What do y'all think about the age of our roster.
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I don't know that I would call Baun and Trautman busts.

Trautman filled the Josh Hill / David Thomas role perfect. The problem is everyone is expecting any TE on the field to be Jimmy Graham or Jeremy Shockey, thats not his role.

Baun hasnt been DD or Werner, but again thats not his role. Coming out of the draft Baun was noted for his physical pass rushing ability, yet we keep trying to make him a traditional LB.
 
Nonreg said:
I don't know that I would call Baun and Trautman busts.

Trautman filled the Josh Hill / David Thomas role perfect. The problem is everyone is expecting any TE on the field to be Jimmy Graham or Jeremy Shockey, thats not his role.

Baun hasnt been DD or Werner, but again thats not his role. Coming out of the draft Baun was noted for his physical pass rushing ability, yet we keep trying to make him a traditional LB.
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I think the Trautman bust label is mostly related to us trading up to get him, if we had just selected him without a trade then he might not be criticized as much.

Then again, TQS gets hammered for not becoming a all pro receiver after being selected late in the third, so Trautman may have never had a chance.
 
David Robbins said:
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This guy thinks we should get even older
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Add me to that list. We need a legit starter that’s a threat on that side. Or he can be a rotational player IF Payton Turner steps up and wins the spot. I did a write up a week ago about Clowney. It’s his best position statistically and he also plays at a high level as an ROLB. He’s the missing piece to our D. Sign him on to a 1-2 year deal. I’m surprised we haven’t signed him yet, tbh.
 
Rexman100 said:
Add me to that list. We need a legit starter that’s a threat on that side. Or he can be a rotational player IF Payton Turner steps up and wins the spot. I did a write up a week ago about Clowney. It’s his best position statistically and he also plays at a high level as an ROLB. He’s the missing piece to our D. Sign him on to a 1-2 year deal. I’m surprised we haven’t signed him yet, tbh.
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I'd rather have ngoque (sp). I think clowney is done.
 
Age only should be a concern if those older players are holding back younger talent or screwing the team in the salary cap.

We are currently the division favorites so shouldn't be afraid of signing FA's short term to be the "missing piece" even if they're up there in age.

Full rebuild may happen in the next couple years hinging on what happens with the career trajectories of our "middle aged" players like Carr, Kamara, and MT, but at this point we're still constructing a roster to win in the postseason.
 

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