The Argument for a Stealth Head Coach Candidate (6 Viewers)

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Because of circumstances and partly by design, the Saints are conducting this year a legitimate and seemingly thorough process to select a new coach. Three years ago, Dennis Allen was clearly the successor in waiting. Continuity was the organization mantra. To satisfy league mandates and some curiosity over other candidates, the Saints interviewed several others for their head-coach opening. But it was always going to be Dennis Allen.

This year, the circumstances are different, leading to a different process. The two candidates perceived to be the top candidates--Mike Vrable and Ben Johnson--showed no interest in the Saints and signed elsewhere. It is possible that a third candidate sought by multiple teams, Aaron Glenn, will sign with the Jets shortly after his in-person interview today and never visit New Orleans for his in-person interview with the Saints. We will find out shortly.

If Glenn signs with the Jets, that leaves for the Saints Mike McCarthy and everyone else with Dallas, Jacksonville, and Las Vegas still searching for a head coach. Some on this forum--perhaps many--favor McCarthy. I do not. He has impressive career numbers, but so did Mike Ditka. Also, two different NFL teams, Green Bay and Dallas, parted ways with him. I will let those in Dallas comment on whether Cowboy fans are happy that Dallas did not bring back McCarthy. But I know that Green Bay fans are thrilled that McCarthy was let go and replaced by Matt LaFleur. Charles Handagriff in Baton Rouge recently wrote a commentary arguing that McCarthy be hired. His rationale was that because of his stature, McCarthy would be the one head-coach candidate who could force Loomis to make substantial changes in how the Saints are being built. I personally think that McCarthy is the candidate who most strongly affirms what Loomis has been doing and will largely continue to do. If McCarthy is the new coach, the emphasis will be on competing now, rather than a rebuild and constructing a team that in two or even three years can compete for a sustained period.

If for the sake of discussion Aaron and McCarthy are out, then who should the new coach be. My answer: I really don't know. I do not know how these guys interview, what their leadership qualities are, what their vision for the Saints is, whom they would like to hire as assistants, what their coaching colleagues and players say about them, and what league insiders think of them. But I do know that we are hiring a head coach, not an offensive coordinator; and that the attributes of a successful head coach are different from those of a coordinator. I do not favor Joe Brady. I am leery of Kliffsbury. But I want to know more about Anthony Weaver and Mike Kafka. In hiring a new coach, the immediate fan response should be totally irrelevant, though the new coach should be someone who over time can readily sell himself to those in the team building and those who buy tickets. If the process is true, then the Saints will be hiring the coach whom they believe is the best person for the job. It may be someone like Weaver or Kafka whom few are talking about. But selling tickets in the spring of 2025 should not be a criterion.
 
Are you sure Packers fans are happy MM is gone? MM won them a championship. LaFleur had Rodgers (for 4 years) didn’t win one, and now they are just a contestant in the playoffs, but not a viable Super Bowl threat, that many believed they were under MM.

You referenced 3 teams still needing a HC, but you are iffy on almost all remaining candidates. We will hire a HC, that’s a given, but are you sure that you would be happy with any hire?!?!

Also, I may be taking your term “stealth” a different way. I would consider a hire of Ron Rivera or Doug Pederson (names we haven’t been connected to-just throwing names out) as a stealth hire.
 
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Are you sure Packers fans are happy MM is gone? MM won them a championship. LaFleur had Rodgers (for 4 years) didn’t win one, and now they are just a contestant in the playoffs, but not a viable Super Bowl threat, that many believed they were under MM.

You referenced 3 teams still needing a HC, but you are iffy on almost all remaining candidates. We will hire a HC, that’s a given, but are you sure that you would be happy with any hire?!?!

Also, I may be taking your term “stealth” a different way. I would consider a hire of Ron Rivera or Doug Pederson (names we haven’t been connected to-just throwing names out) as a stealth hire.
Isn't the whole point of hiring a good coach is so you can be a perennial playoff team?

The packers are on their 3rd Franchise signal caller (Farve, Rodgers, Love) and third successful head coach (Reid, McCarthy, LaFleur) is you ask me the Packers are doing everything right, they know when to let a player go and they know how to identify a head coach.
 
At this point, my top candidate is whomever can drive change in the building and change this organization back into a winning one.

But my second pick, is one that will tank and blow it up more than it already is because that's what it will take to get Mickey Loomis out.
 
Isn't the whole point of hiring a good coach is so you can be a perennial playoff team?

The packers are on their 3rd Franchise signal caller (Farve, Rodgers, Love) and third successful head coach (Reid, McCarthy, LaFleur) is you ask me the Packers are doing everything right, they know when to let a player go and they know how to identify a head coach.
What I like about the Packers (and part of the reason for liking McCarthy) is that they build and maintain their roster through the draft. They averaged nine picks per year during McCarthy’s tenure. Hopefully he would bring that organizational philosophy to the Saints if hired.
 
Are you sure Packers fans are happy MM is gone? MM won them a championship. LaFleur had Rodgers (for 4 years) didn’t win one, and now they are just a contestant in the playoffs, but not a viable Super Bowl threat, that many believed they were under MM.

You referenced 3 teams still needing a HC, but you are iffy on almost all remaining candidates. We will hire a HC, that’s a given, but are you sure that you would be happy with any hire?!?!

Also, I may be taking your term “stealth” a different way. I would consider a hire of Ron Rivera or Doug Pederson (names we haven’t been connected to-just throwing names out) as a stealth hire.

MM was ran out of Green Bay and the Packers immediately became a better team the following season. Keep in mind that MM didn't do anything in Green Bay worth noting his final 3 years that Lafluer hasn't done, and after the Packers and MM parted ways, front office officials for Green Bay has said his play calling and coaching has gotten stale which led to disgruntled players, led by Rodgers. Green Bay may not be in the playoffs any longer, but theres no denying they are one of the most dominate teams in the NFL currently, which is more then you can say for McCarthy's final 3 years in Green Bay, nor his 4 years with the Cowboys.
 
Isn't the whole point of hiring a good coach is so you can be a perennial playoff team?

The packers are on their 3rd Franchise signal caller (Farve, Rodgers, Love) and third successful head coach (Reid, McCarthy, LaFleur) is you ask me the Packers are doing everything right, they know when to let a player go and they know how to identify a head coach.
Yes, you do want your team to be a perennial postseason contestant. However, if your rebound HC, isn’t garnering the same heightened success, then how can you be happy that the former is gone? It makes no sense. Give me the guy, who was getting me further bc the goal is to win the entire lot. Which is what the main criteria for hiring a HC should be……to win the entire thing, not just be happy to be nominated for a postseason entry. The goal is to win the Super Bowl.

Side note: Reid never coached the Packers.

Other side note: As a Saints fan, who just went through 2.5 years of wood chopping, I would take a HC who can just get us into the playoffs. However, that’s not how Packers fans should view things. They can actually have some optimism on a yearly basis
 
My impression is that Packer fans are very happy with LaFleur. I have a contact in Green Bay who has connections to the organization and who is one of the top three or four people living regarding knowledge of team history whom I can contact for confirmation. More important, Green Bay's management, which has been first-rate for decades, decided to let McCarthy go, and chose and seems happy with LaFleur.
 
I'm not sure I can honestly see which part of the OP is stating the argument for a stealth HC candidate. Am I being unintentionally obtuse?
 
MM was ran out of Green Bay and the Packers immediately became a better team the following season. Keep in mind that MM didn't do anything in Green Bay worth noting his final 3 years that Lafluer hasn't done, and after the Packers and MM parted ways, front office officials for Green Bay has said his play calling and coaching has gotten stale which led to disgruntled players, led by Rodgers. Green Bay may not be in the playoffs any longer, but theres no denying they are one of the most dominate teams in the NFL currently, which is more then you can say for McCarthy's final 3 years in Green Bay, nor his 4 years with the Cowboys.
You mean, the A-A-Ron Rodgers that went awol, locked himself in a cave, and smoked crack?……I mean binged on mushrooms? Yeah, I would definitely take that guy’s side. Maybe, as a leader of a team, you try not to intentionally create a mutiny. Sure, philosophies can grow stale, however, if you have a perennial MVP QB at the helm, maybe he could do more?!?! I didn’t see Drew mailing it in, when he was throwing to a group of UDFAs. Just saying

Maybe, just maybe MM wasn’t the problem

Also, what is your definition of dominant?
Bc dominant, to me, is when you lay waste to all of your competition. I don’t see how the Packers have done that? Consistent yes, dominant no

Additional flip side: MM won a SB. LaFluer has yet to do that. So, if Matt doesn’t win one, his name will never be etched in stone as a GB HC who has won them a SB. Playoffs are playoffs, but to a team, and fanbase like GB, championships are the standard.
 
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My impression is that Packer fans are very happy with LaFleur. I have a contact in Green Bay who has connections to the organization and who is one of the top three or four people living regarding knowledge of team history whom I can contact for confirmation. More important, Green Bay's management, which has been first-rate for decades, decided to let McCarthy go, and chose and seems happy with LaFleur.
Packers fans are some of the best in the NFL and they are pretty much always optimistic, even when they shouldn’t be. That organization is indeed first rate, I will 100% agree with that.
 

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