The Investment Thread (6 Viewers)

[itztime]

This thing where everything the market goes back to GME/AME exposing a vast unseen conspiracy in securities is getting sort of Q'ish. Even the weird voiceovers in the YouTubes.

Not saying it's wrong, I don't know enough to say, but it has that vibe.

Agreed, it does start to take on conspiracy after conspiracy but I'm guessing his saving point was the graph patterns, could be coincidence though.

The voice over does cause question is this legit info or not, though he actually has a large twitter following so there is some credence I guess. I'm assuming his voice must be annoying so he uses the AI voice, for example, the "Trey's Trade" guy he is informative BUT I just cant listen to him, his voice is like nails on a chalk board to me.

 

[Turfie]

They let things run this morning then started shorting. I’m sure some day traders and paper hands contributed too.

I’m holding until the shorts have covered. And I don’t think they are even close to have covered.

 

[Saint_Ward]

This thing where everything the market goes back to GME/AME exposing a vast unseen conspiracy in securities is getting sort of Q'ish. Even the weird voiceovers in the YouTubes.

Not saying it's wrong, I don't know enough to say, but it has that vibe.

People love a good "man behind the curtains" type story, so it's easy to latch on to this being similar to Occupy Wall street or whatever. Now it's just 'beating them at their own game'. We'll see.

 

[literature]

This thing where everything the market goes back to GME/AME exposing a vast unseen conspiracy in securities is getting sort of Q'ish. Even the weird voiceovers in the YouTubes.

Not saying it's wrong, I don't know enough to say, but it has that vibe.

It’s the opposite of Qanon, and here’s why:

In Qanon, the Q people come up with an outlandish theory, and then they create and imagine complicated evidence and patterns as to why it’s real.

When examining fraud in the financial markets (financial markets which, btw, crashed in devestating fashion only 13 years ago due to fraud), the people are finding evidence and data points first and trying to draw the most efficient, least-complicated solution they can from them.

For example, BTC very frequently takes big dips right before GME has a big rise in price. It’s now twice in the last month that BTC’s price nosedives before an early-week parabolic bull run on GME.

If BTC drops straight down right before GME rises straight up, it’s only logical to hypothesize that perhaps BTC is being sold to either cover short GME positions or to facilitate its re-shorting.

The internet retail traders are making impartial observations first, drawing possible conclusions second, and doing so in the most efficient and occam’s razor-mindful way they can.

 

[superchuck500]

It’s the opposite of Qanon, and here’s why:

In Qanon, the Q people come up with an outlandish theory, and then create and imagine complicated evidence and patterns as to why it’s real.

When examining fraud in the financial markets (financial markets which, btw, crashed in devestating fashion only 13 years ago due to fraud), the people are finding evidence and data points first and trying to draw the most efficient, least-complicated solution they can from them.

For example, BTC very frequently takes big dips right before GME has a big rise in price. It’s now twice in the last month that BTC’s price nosedives before a beginning of week parabolic bull run on GME.

If BTC drops straight down right before GME rises straight up, it’s only logical to hypothesize that perhaps BTC is being sold to either cover short GME positions or to facilitate its re-shorting.

The internet retail traders are making impartial observations first, drawing possible conclusions second, and doing so in the most efficient and occam’s razor-mindful way they can.

I would say ‘fair enough’ about the point of evidence versus conclusion but I’m not convinced that you’re right that there isn’t any of that kind of conjecture going on - but I don’t know enough to say so I can’t really disagree. Though I don’t think a BTC/GME correlation is particularly surprising.

 

[literature]

This thing where everything the market goes back to GME/AME exposing a vast unseen conspiracy in securities is getting sort of Q'ish.

The issue is this: the economy already crashed in 2008 owing to a vast conspiracy in securities, and only one single person went to jail for it. If they already got caught for massive conspiratorial fraud and weren’t punished, why wouldn’t they try it again? AND, in the age of social media, why wouldn’t more people catch onto it quicker this time?

That’s the whole underlying thesis and assumption. It could be wrong, but it’s incredibly logical and reasonable at a fundamental level even if it is.

 

[DaveXA]

I would say ‘fair enough’ about the point of evidence versus conclusion but I’m not convinced that you’re right that there isn’t any of that kind of conjecture going on - but I don’t know enough to say so I can’t really disagree. Though I don’t think a BTC/GME correlation is particularly surprising.

There's definitely plenty of conjecture going on, but I think there are good reasons why that's happening. It's exaggerated sometimes, but there are legitimate concerns with how the big hedge funds and institutional investors attempt to manipulate the markets.

 

[Turfie]

Good read on what happened to GME and likely other stonks this morning

Reddit post DD. Probably language somewhere

 

[St. Geezy]

People love a good "man behind the curtains" type story, so it's easy to latch on to this being similar to Occupy Wall street or whatever. Now it's just 'beating them at their own game'. We'll see.

Starting to get the sense that you don't like these stocks too much, almost like you're rooting against it out of fear of having missed out on them.

 

[St. Geezy]

I would say ‘fair enough’ about the point of evidence versus conclusion but I’m not convinced that you’re right that there isn’t any of that kind of conjecture going on - but I don’t know enough to say so I can’t really disagree. Though I don’t think a BTC/GME correlation is particularly surprising.

Hedge funds under duress are indeed going to have to liquidate other holdings to meet or avoid margin calls or produce revenue to offset other bad bets. I don't think it's conspiracy theory stuff at all for those of us that have paid extremely close attention to this thing every single day and have watched the chart patterns all work in an interconnected fashion.

 

[Saint_Ward]

Starting to get the sense that you don't like these stocks too much, almost like you're rooting against it out of fear of having missed out on them.

No, I don't care. Make your money. my only play account is an IRA and it's a challenge to make moves quick enough to catch pricing changes within a day, let alone even a couple days. I'm poking fun at those that are just following along and have no clue what they're doing. I don't count you in that group.

But, overall, to think that this is sound investing strategy or that this won't come crashing down at some point is just foolhardy.

There is so much BS being pushed that sounds like insider info, it's just nuts. Every few years there is some sort of technical feeding frenzy that has absolutely nothing to do with an underlying business. This isn't getting in on AMZN back in the day at a low price seeing future growth, or getting lucky. This is sort of market manipulation to me, but to be fair, I'm not paying that much attention.

 

[superchuck500]

Hedge funds under duress are indeed going to have to liquidate other holdings to meet or avoid margin calls or produce revenue to offset other bad bets. I don't think it's conspiracy theory stuff at all for those of us that have paid extremely close attention to this thing every single day and have watched the chart patterns all work in an interconnected fashion.

I wasn't talking about that - or anything that is directly related to the mechanics of the hedge funds' short positions. I was referring to this broader underlying suggestion that much of the broader market is connected in a dark, secret way to what is going on with the hedge short positions in the meme stocks. I also didn't say there was no truth to those ideas, I said I didn't know . . . only that it has a distinct vibe about it.

 

[itztime]

No, I don't care. Make your money. my only play account is an IRA and it's a challenge to make moves quick enough to catch pricing changes within a day, let alone even a couple days. I'm poking fun at those that are just following along and have no clue what they're doing. I don't count you in that group.

But, overall, to think that this is sound investing strategy or that this won't come crashing down at some point is just foolhardy.

Why poke fun at them, its a gamble? I think most of them, if not all realize that, no different than going to a casino and tossing money on a bet they cant see, at least in this instance they can pull whatever money they want out on that bet as it falls or moves upward.

 

[Snakehead]

No, I don't care. Make your money. my only play account is an IRA and it's a challenge to make moves quick enough to catch pricing changes within a day, let alone even a couple days. I'm poking fun at those that are just following along and have no clue what they're doing. I don't count you in that group.

But, overall, to think that this is sound investing strategy or that this won't come crashing down at some point is just foolhardy.

There is so much BS being pushed that sounds like insider info, it's just nuts. Every few years there is some sort of technical feeding frenzy that has absolutely nothing to do with an underlying business. This isn't getting in on AMZN back in the day at a low price seeing future growth, or getting lucky. This is sort of market manipulation to me, but to be fair, I'm not paying that much attention.

I fall into that category. I could care less what it does and if someone makes a ton of money off of it, good for them. I bought a few AMC and BB stocks. I follow along because it's entertaining and if I make enough to buy a new surf fishing rig, pier fishing rig or even a fishing kayak then cool. I'm not using anything from retirement savings, so if I lose anything it's just a couple less overpriced coffees or fast food that I didn't need anyway.

 

[Saint_Ward]

Why poke fun at them, its a gamble? I think most of them, if not all realize that, no different than going to a casino and tossing money on a bet they cant see, at least in this instance they can pull whatever money they want out on that bet as it falls or moves upward.

The types that buy into certain conspiracies.... I was going off of Chuck's Q commentary.

Also, let's be a bit honest here. This has turned into something well beyond a simple gamble. This has a life of it's own. Apes? I mean, it's not a little funny/silly?