The next head coach is inheriting a mess (1 Viewer)

[BigDSaintsFan]

Right now it does not look like a great job. The organization has to commit to a new direction. The way we handle the draft, the way we handle the cap, medical staff - all need to change. If we do that we will be ok attracting good candidates.

Also going back and reading Loomis' statement about DA, he was ready to give DA a pass or in his words, "look beyond the results". He should be next to go.

 

[St. Geezy]

Right now it does not look like a great job. The organization has to commit to a new direction. The way we handle the draft, the way we handle the cap, medical staff - all need to change. If we do that we will be ok attracting good candidates.

Also going back and reading Loomis' statement about DA, he was ready to give DA a pass or in his words, "look beyond the results". He should be next to go.

What makes an NFL job an attractive job for someone that dreams to be a head coach…

- Does the owner pay me well?

- Will the owner provide everything myself and my football staff needs financially?

- Does the owner stay out of the way and not meddle with myself and my football staff?

If those three answers are yes, the job is attractive for someone looking to complete their dream job quest and receive the accompanying life-changing money it brings.

 

[Eagle02]

The post I was responding to was saying to stock pics to target the 2026 draft (which is why I spoke of Arch Manning, many for some reason assume he will enter the draft in 2026). My theory of a successful path forward is targeting this draft (although in detail) due to how much talent is in the trenches which happens to be our weakest area, couple the fact that our two best weapons are aging and there happens to be what many (or at least some) are calling the best RB talent in a generation in this draft that we just happen to be in position to draft, possibly even trade back and draft. Point being in summary, this draft has exactly what we need the most in the worst ways, and we will be in position to take full advantage of it.

Off topic : I appreciate your humility in the question. It was clear you assumed I contradicted myself, but your humility led you to believe you were missing something which sparked the question, rather than pride assuming you were correct. I'm not important by any stretch of the imagination but I take a great liking seeing people with humility. Something I feel our society greatly lacks.

Ok, I'm with you then. When he mentioned stockpiling pics I'm thinking for 2025 also, not waiting until 2026.

Yeah, I'm long in the tooth. I try to never come across as thinking I know all the answers. Everyone has an opinion and it's best to clarify and discuss it. Thanks for the compliment

 

[Eagle02]

Right now it does not look like a great job. The organization has to commit to a new direction. The way we handle the draft, the way we handle the cap, medical staff - all need to change. If we do that we will be ok attracting good candidates.

Also going back and reading Loomis' statement about DA, he was ready to give DA a pass or in his words, "look beyond the results". He should be next to go.

Hopefully part of Mrs. Benson's decision was instructions to Loomis to NOT promote from within after this year....to look for new blood. At least give it an honest shot. For all we know everyone may be enamored with Rizzo.

 

[Loomissed]

Are we allowed to criticize this dumpster fire of a team, or are the mods still censoring to sugarcoat it for the sheep?

 

[meily]

What makes an NFL job an attractive job for someone that dreams to be a head coach…

- Does the owner pay me well?

- Will the owner provide everything myself and my football staff needs financially?

- Does the owner stay out of the way and not meddle with myself and my football staff?

If those three answers are yes, the job is attractive for someone looking to complete their dream job quest and receive the accompanying life-changing money it brings.

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[Saint KayBee]

Just imagining the next coach coming here and having two bad seasons, getting fired after the start of the third… succeeding as a coordinator in subsequent years and coming available as a head coach candidate again about a decade later. That’d be funny

 

[No2DC]

What makes an NFL job an attractive job for someone that dreams to be a head coach…

- Does the owner pay me well?

- Will the owner provide everything myself and my football staff needs financially?

- Does the owner stay out of the way and not meddle with myself and my football staff?

If those three answers are yes, the job is attractive for someone looking to complete their dream job quest and receive the accompanying life-changing money it brings.

These types of answers suggests an inability to differentiate between good and bad. The first question is relative because all coaches are paid in the millions. Payton and Harborhaur are on higher pay scale than a first time coach.
2 the staff question is tricky because some owners will pay for an all star staff with different type run and pass game advisors. The rams and commanders have these types of staff. We are not that type of franchise. 3 some owners are more hands on than others, with guys like Jerry being on the extreme end. However, you do want the owner to hold you accountable like Gayle just did.
Ultimately, it comes down to how bad the guy wants the job and does he have other options. As we all know, we were Sean's second choice.

 

[St. Geezy]

These types of answers suggests an inability to differentiate between good and bad. The first question is relative because all coaches are paid in the millions. Payton and Harborhaur are on higher pay scale than a first time coach.
2 the staff question is tricky because some owners will pay for an all star staff with different type run and pass game advisors. The rams and commanders have these types of staff. We are not that type of franchise. 3 some owners are more hands on than others, with guys like Jerry being on the extreme end. However, you do want the owner to hold you accountable like Gayle just did.
Ultimately, it comes down to how bad the guy wants the job and does he have other options. As we all know, we were Sean's second choice.

Two teams bidding and competing for the same coach is usually pretty rare unless it’s an alpha star HC with head coaching skins on the wall and are still at the top of their game, like a Sean Payton or Jim Harbaugh, the types that rarely come available.

A lot of this is like a speed dating session and most of the matchmaking ends up being each team and coach zeroing in on each other with limited competition once the team makes the ask.

What I am trying to say is, once we identify “our guy,” it’s very unlikely odds-wise that another team has identified that same person as “their guy.”

It may happen every once in awhile, but the slots usually fill-in cleanly, with each coach ending up at the one place that made a true, firm offer, and most of the guys on the interviewing circuit up left with no HC offer at all.

 

[renegadewa]

I thought this was the case when the team was looking to replace Payton, too, and I’m not sure the circumstances are going to be much better. People will say there are only 32 of these jobs but I think top candidates are more selective than we ever hear about.

The QB room might be more attractive than it was then and while this isn’t looking like a strong QB draft, it doesn’t look 2022 bad.

The cap is going to be a problem and this isn’t a very talented or deep roster.

The organization will really have to sell itself and I also think, offer patience and stability to a new hire, knowing the conditions aren’t in place for a quick turnaround. A lot of good luck can change that but I think the team is going to have to set realistic expectations and be overly competitive on compensation and conditions.

Anybody feel better about it or see it differently?

Pretty much spot on.

It's going to get a lot uglier before it gets better.

 

[TheFly]

Many of you forget there are only 32 of these jobs in the world. Sean Payton came here and inherited a franchise without a stadium and a city 5 months after katrina being rebuilt. Louisiana was going through a lot of crap. And we got Drew, and we got Reggie. This is the NFL, people cutt people's throats for these jobs.

 

[slikk]

Most new coaches always walk into a mess usually with complete staff turnover GM included

 

[meily]

Most new coaches always walk into a mess usually with complete staff turnover GM included

That's why the job became available, because its a mess....

 

[DSnfla]

It’s more that he’s proving you don’t have to be a DC or OC if you’re a good leader of men and hold people accountable.

John Harbaugh wasn’t a DC or OC either. He was was STs coach like Rizzi.

There’s no right or wrong coaching resume.

Harbaugh was a DB's coach and had coached RB's and LB's in college. I like Rizzi but all he has ever coached was ST's
Did you read my post where I said that Campbell had all the stars aligned?
In the last 4 yrs the Lions had 19 top 100 draft picks from their own sucking and the Stafford trade , plus the got Goff in that trade and some of those picks top 10.
I'll give Campbell credit for hiring Glenn and hiring Johnson and for firing Lynn his OC and promoting Johnson because it was him that made Goff not suck.
Campbell also had the benefit of a very good GM , Holmes doing the drafting.
I stand by my Dan Campbell Ed Ogeron comparison

 

[DSnfla]

Theres a lot to unpack with Campbell. 1 thing that many are not mentioning, is that he is a QB guru. It's not a coincidence that Goff gets into the talk of MVP under Campbell. The question I have, is how much of that is Campbell vs Ben Johnson. 50/50? 30/70? who knows. We'll get our answer as Ben Johnson will get a head coaching job sooner then later. But I'm not seeing any coaches in the NFL who can pull a Dan Campbell right now. Many assume Ben Johnson is the most likely to be able to do it, but we've seen many great OC's move on to bomb out as head coaches.

LOL Campbell has NEVER been a QB guru!!!!!! SMH. He has NEVER coached QB's. All he ever has been was a TE coach the position he played. Goff sucked before Johnson was promoted to OC