The next head coach is inheriting a mess (3 Viewers)

[DSnfla]

You clearly have no idea what your talking about.

A head coach is part football guy, part motivator, part executive. And you undervalue the the motivator part. When you have someone who is a good motivator, going to work or whatever activity is a million times better and productive.

I have no idea how good DC is at other things but it is clear that he is quite good at the executive part because his players always look organised, they understand their role and the gameplan, and they are ready to go. That doesn't happen without someone at the top who knows how to organise his people and practices. DA's teams look horrible and make mistakes all the time.

You also underestimate the motivation part and call it being a cheerleader. The example I used the guy was in competition with a dozen other studios, many going out of business and at the time he had 250+ regular members... 25 years later he is still in business while hundreds of other places came and went in his area. Many of his customers were police and military. So building buy in is an art. DA didn't have this. No one seemed to trust that what was happening would work.

As to Spellman his job is really interesting. He is there advising Shiela Ford as they go through different aspects of the year. They obviously have a set of goals for the organisation on what they want it to look like. The owner is drawing on his experience in who to hire and what culture to create. You seem to dismiss this. Imagine what our team would look like if Gayle had an ex-player guiding her in the same manner; instead, she has Loomis who has never played a down of football in his life..

SMH , Obviously you have tunnel vision and haven't looked beneath the surface of why the Lions have had success. Martial arts and football are completely different animals. 1 is a TEAM game and the other is the individual. Yes motivation is important in both but that's the only similarity.
But being a good motivator is not enough in football you HAVE to be an X's and O's guy as well like a Payton or a Walsh or a Belichick. In fact in the pro game being an X's and O's guy is more important and likeable as Campbell he is not

You keep comparing DC to DA and that's NOT the issue nor the point of my posts. Yes a HC is all that you mentioned but the exe. part has been taken off DC's plate y Holmes. who IS the one making the important decisions like the draft and trades which is where the lions have been built
Over the last 5 drafts NO other team has had most top 100 draft picks , 19 in fact and in that 19 have been a #2, #3,and a #7. Holmes has been the one running the draft since 21

Heck , Ben Johnson their best coordinator was not even hired by DC , he was on staff when he got there.
I get it , Dan is a blue collar likeable guy. I like him too. But he is NOT the riving force behind the Lions success, Holmes and the haul they got from the Stafford trade along with being really bad in the yrs before he got there is . And don't forget he has the best duo of coordinators in the league, that by the way decided not to take HC jobs last yr

If you think Campbell is a great HC then you must believe Ed Ogeron is as well because they are pretty much the same guy

 

[DSnfla]

Yes. You’re using “all the stars aligned” to completely discredit the job that Campbell has done in leading the group.

Thats a HC’s job. Lead people, hire good assistants, delegate and make tough decisions.

I'm not discrediting Campbell , I'm just not giving him this worship that all of you people that don't look underneath the surface do. In fact I just looked and saw that he didn't even hire Ben Johnson he was on the staff when he took the job.
You don't take into consideration the fact that the Lions had 19 top 100 draft picks since 2020 and they got Goff in the Stafford trade. And of those picks were #2, #3, #7. They have a very good GM in Holmes and HE is the one that runs the draft. They promoted Rob Lohman to run the scouting dept. in 19
What you don't see because you just see the surface is that Dan is not the driving force behind the really important decisions in the Lions org. AND he has been the beneficiary of the moves made by Holmes

 

[solarbear88]

SMH , Obviously you have tunnel vision and haven't looked beneath the surface of why the Lions have had success. Martial arts and football are completely different animals. 1 is a TEAM game and the other is the individual. Yes motivation is important in both but that's the only similarity.
But being a good motivator is not enough in football you HAVE to be an X's and O's guy as well like a Payton or a Walsh or a Belichick. In fact in the pro game being an X's and O's guy is more important and likeable as Campbell he is not

You keep comparing DC to DA and that's NOT the issue nor the point of my posts. Yes a HC is all that you mentioned but the exe. part has been taken off DC's plate y Holmes. who IS the one making the important decisions like the draft and trades which is where the lions have been built
Over the last 5 drafts NO other team has had most top 100 draft picks , 19 in fact and in that 19 have been a #2, #3,and a #7. Holmes has been the one running the draft since 21

Heck , Ben Johnson their best coordinator was not even hired by DC , he was on staff when he got there.
I get it , Dan is a blue collar likeable guy. I like him too. But he is NOT the riving force behind the Lions success, Holmes and the haul they got from the Stafford trade along with being really bad in the yrs before he got there is . And don't forget he has the best duo of coordinators in the league, that by the way decided not to take HC jobs last yr

If you think Campbell is a great HC then you must believe Ed Ogeron is as well because they are pretty much the same guy

Yeah. Programming a curriculum for 250+ people, all the individual instructors, having them thinking they can and will be successful, and keeping everyone motivated and aimed at their goals would have ZERO cross over with what a football coach does.

Dan is great at many aspects of what makes a good coach. Where he is weaker, he delegates to good subordinates. If BJ leaves I am sure they will hunt around and find another bright OC to fill the role.

Thing with DA is he was really bad at motivating people or even getting all parts of the team working together. I had a boss like that, good guy, I liked him and he had your back, but really didn't really motivate me to do a good job or even want to be there. He also didn't really seem to have any solutions to the various problems, which was very frustrating. So similar.

 

[solarbear88]

All of this means you probably won't get to pick from the lot and get a sexy hire like Ben Johnson. But there will be plenty of hungry up and coming assistants and coordinators out there that will be ecstatic to get an opportunity to be head coach of an NFL team. They just have to pick the right one.

I am kind of hoping for a sneaky good hire like Payton was. Someone to bring a bright new perspective to the franchise.

 

[DSnfla]

Yeah. Programming a curriculum for 250+ people, all the individual instructors, having them thinking they can and will be successful, and keeping everyone motivated and aimed at their goals would have ZERO cross over with what a football coach does.

Dan is great at many aspects of what makes a good coach. Where he is weaker, he delegates to good subordinates. If BJ leaves I am sure they will hunt around and find another bright OC to fill the role.

Thing with DA is he was really bad at motivating people or even getting all parts of the team working together. I had a boss like that, good guy, I liked him and he had your back, but really didn't really motivate me to do a good job or even want to be there. He also didn't really seem to have any solutions to the various problems, which was very frustrating. So similar.

I didn't say it had ZERO crossover but that's just admin stuff, I'm sure that guy was brilliant at the technical stuff , the X's and O's of the sport. In designing attack and defense strategies. DC is not, he never designed an offense or defense in his career.

You continue to compare DC to DA when this has NOTHING to do with DA, this is about giving more credit to DC for the Lions turnaround than is deserved.

You don't take into consideration the fact that the Lions had 19 top 100 draft picks since 2020 and they got Goff in the Stafford trade. And of those picks were #2, #3, #7. They have a very good GM in Holmes and HE is the one that runs the draft. They promoted Rob Lohman to run the scouting dept. in 19
What you don't see and refuse to address the points I made is because you just see the surface is that Dan is not the driving force behind the really important decisions in the Lions org. AND he has been the beneficiary of the moves made by Holmes, DC can't even take credit for hiring his best coordinator Johnson he was there when he got there.
His roster is there BECAUSE of Holmes. C'mon man surely you can look a lil deeper and see that

 

[solarbear88]

His roster is there BECAUSE of Holmes. C'mon man surely you can look a lil deeper and see that

Holmes is one of the better GM's in the league. I wish he was our GM. I wish we were in the same position for the Lions.

That doesn't make Dan a bad coach - he has good footbally acumen and clearly is amazing at motivating and organising. There is a certain charisma to the task that some people either have or do not, Dan has it. DA was great with X's and O's and even at coordinating - but there were other areas he must have fell short.

TBH I am a little surprised at the flak Siriani gets by having 2 coordinators do the X's and O's. Seems like a smarter way to run things. One guy to organise and coordinate the team and others to work on the X's and O's. Seemed to be the way things were often done in the past.

 

[DSnfla]

Holmes is one of the better GM's in the league. I wish he was our GM. I wish we were in the same position for the Lions.

That doesn't make Dan a bad coach - he has good footbally acumen and clearly is amazing at motivating and organising. There is a certain charisma to the task that some people either have or do not, Dan has it. DA was great with X's and O's and even at coordinating - but there were other areas he must have fell short.

TBH I am a little surprised at the flak Siriani gets by having 2 coordinators do the X's and O's. Seems like a smarter way to run things. One guy to organise and coordinate the team and others to work on the X's and O's. Seemed to be the way things were often done in the past.

I didn't say Dan was a bad coach , i said he's getting way too much credit for the Lion's turnaround when if you look beneath the surface you'll find the real reason

 

[Saint Spud]

I'm not discrediting Campbell

LOL I really don't think people know how little Campbell had to do with turning the Lions around. He truly is the Ed Ogeron of the NFL

 

[sfidc3]

I don't think it feels that much different to when Payton was hired, truthfully. And that went OK.

I feel the same way.....

I understand the notion that some teams are more attractive to others, but it's fairly rare that a team looking for a new HC is an immediately ideal situation for a new HC.....

Plus, as I've been saying since the end of DA year 1, you can't find the next great HC if you aren't even looking for him, at least we will be looking now....

 

[DSnfla]

Maybe post the rest of what I said as context and you'll get my real meaning
"I'm not discrediting Campbell , I'm just not giving him this worship that all of you people that don't look underneath the surface do. "
Cherry pick much ??

 

[Saint Spud]

Maybe post the rest of what I said as context and you'll get my real meaning
"I'm not discrediting Campbell , I'm just not giving him this worship that all of you people that don't look underneath the surface do. "
Cherry pick much ??

if you find me a post where someone is “worshipping” him, I will lol