The Science of Fasting

[J-Donk]

Well I will take my n=1 personal experience and go with it. I am no longer overweight, nor do I have IBS or heartburn since I changed by way of eating. If you live longer than me you can say I told you so.

Oh, I'm not arguing that it helps with weight loss. This is really going down the longevity rabbit hole. That gets into stuff like: intermittent fasting, Mediterranean diet, sleep hygiene.

 

[Dago]

Love this guy. I know it's not about fasting, it's about salt and blood pressure; but I didn't know where else to put it. Thought for you "health nerds" that like deep dives into the why's of things might find it interesting.

Which should make people realize that if natural science can be manipulated to this degree, social science is pretty much a joke. Agenda driven politicians and 'scientists' constantly try to pass off correlation as causation and for the most part people are too ignorant to know the difference

 

[SaintInBucLand]

Love this guy. I know it's not about fasting, it's about salt and blood pressure; but I didn't know where else to put it. Thought for you "health nerds" that like deep dives into the why's of things might find it interesting.

He also has a good one on butter and saturated fat.

 

[Dago]

He also has a good one on butter and saturated fat.

The guy seems very thorough and does a good job researching and breaking down information...going to check out more of his videos. I had never heard of him before.
I am inclined to believe the 'facts' he presented on the research based on some quick internet searches but you can't ever be too sure these days

Thanks for posting @Madmarsha

Oh, I'm not arguing that it helps with weight loss. This is really going down the longevity rabbit hole. That gets into stuff like: intermittent fasting, Mediterranean diet, sleep hygiene.

I looked at the study and honestly the best you could say is that there may be a correlation. It relies mostly on self reporting in the human trials (nobody tracks their intake over 32 years) and it does nothing to eliminate other variables. This is flawed science and is exactly the sort of thing Marsha's video is talking about.

 

[faceman]

Oh, I'm not arguing that it helps with weight loss. This is really going down the longevity rabbit hole. That gets into stuff like: intermittent fasting, Mediterranean diet, sleep hygiene.

Those are all factors. I still believe genetics play the largest role when it comes to longevity. People that live
a long time tend to have children who do the same.

 

[mjcouvi]

Biologically there are 5 essential organs in our bodies which work in perfect concert to turn fat to energy. We are designed, or evolved ya could say, to efficiently process animal fat. It's a dense energy source, the most efficient energy we can digest. It's saturated fat. Saturated with hydrogen, the most abundant element in the universe. Hydrogen stores energy, hydrates in combination with oxygen, while it transports and eliminates waste. Animal fat -- saturated fat -- is the most energetic human food and, in combination with protein, that's all a human needs, from a biological perspective. Carbohydrates are completely unnecessary for energy production in the human body. Not only are carbs unnecessary, they're inferior to fat in just about every way except perhaps if one likes to have peaks and valleys in one's energy levels.

The gut isn't meant to be stretched and scraped by bulky food that doesn't digest so fully as does the animal fat and protein we consume. These glutinous and fibrous foods from plant matter just stress the body, injure it. Having a surgery on the gut? The doctor will tell you to rest the digestive system by NOT consuming fiber -- yet somehow fiber is at the same time heralded as good for the digestive system. Why not just keep the system non-stressed all the time? Some will argue that this stress from plant foods -- and not just direct physical stress in the sense of damage to tissue from abrasion that must then be repaired, but also chemical stress from the various disagreeable plant compounds -- is stress that's good for you. Wha...?

Those large scale epidemiological studies are inconclusive, drawing corollaries, not causes, because there are too many variables, and with any one of the well-marketed "findings" that encourage carbohydrate consumption one can easily postulate alternative theories as to what might be good and bad based on the results. The disassociation of longevity and animal consumption is pretty tragic as I see it, because the evidence for demonizing it isn't there if you look hard enough. Fat does not clog arteries -- rather the clogging of arteries is a mineralization of arterial damage, blood clotting due to stress, stress from non-optimal human foods, usually in the name of carbs.

The doctors and scientists who have the more biology-centric view that I'm trying to describe see far more conclusive results with real-world experimental practice from what I've seen.

I could go on but that's just about where I'm at with this eating thing and, personally, I've been turning into the kinda energetic beast that I thought I wasn't capable of being. Stonger than I've been in my whole life, gonna play football with my fit 20-something nephews tomorrow. They're ripped athletes, can push more weight around than me probably, but I still plan to kick their arses, even though I'm almost 20 years older.

 

[SaintInBucLand]

The gut isn't meant to be stretched and scraped by bulky food that doesn't digest so fully as does the animal fat and protein we consume. These glutinous and fibrous foods from plant matter just stress the body, injure it. Having a surgery on the gut? The doctor will tell you to rest the digestive system by NOT consuming fiber -- yet somehow fiber is at the same time heralded as good for the digestive system. Why not just keep the system non-stressed all the time? Some will argue that this stress from plant foods -- and not just direct physical stress in the sense of damage to tissue from abrasion that must then be repaired, but also chemical stress from the various disagreeable plant compounds -- is stress that's good for you. Wha...?

I almost don't eat a lick of fiber anymore(outside of my twice monthly oatmeal, because I like it) and my digestion has never been better in my life that I can recall. All through most of my adult life until recently I had dealt with terrible stomach discomfort, IBS, and horrendous heartburn and GERD. Now being mostly carnivore the past 2 years I have none of that. Although I do tend to get gas and an upset stomach from the oatmeal, but I tolerate it just because I enjoy the taste so much. When I eat nothing but steak, eggs, ground beef and fish I never have a single stomach issue.

 

[SaintInBucLand]

Huge study in the world of lipidology.

 

[faceman]

Huge study in the world of lipidology.

Nuts are high in carbs and are not Keto friendly. They are a super food when it comes to fighting
high LDL cholesterol levels. I'm living proof. I'm am now off cholesterol and blood pressure meds
Beans and Nuts are a staple of my diet now.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases...cholesterol/in-depth/cholesterol/art-20045192

 

[CapitalCitySaint]

I almost don't eat a lick of fiber anymore(outside of my twice monthly oatmeal, because I like it) and my digestion has never been better in my life that I can recall. All through most of my adult life until recently I had dealt with terrible stomach discomfort, IBS, and horrendous heartburn and GERD. Now being mostly carnivore the past 2 years I have none of that. Although I do tend to get gas and an upset stomach from the oatmeal, but I tolerate it just because I enjoy the taste so much. When I eat nothing but steak, eggs, ground beef and fish I never have a single stomach issue.

Lol never met someone so fond of oatmeal in my life.

 

[faceman]

I almost don't eat a lick of fiber anymore(outside of my twice monthly oatmeal, because I like it) and my digestion has never been better in my life that I can recall. All through most of my adult life until recently I had dealt with terrible stomach discomfort, IBS, and horrendous heartburn and GERD. Now being mostly carnivore the past 2 years I have none of that. Although I do tend to get gas and an upset stomach from the oatmeal, but I tolerate it just because I enjoy the taste so much. When I eat nothing but steak, eggs, ground beef and fish I never have a single stomach issue.

I do agree too much insoluble fiber can be a bad thing. Soluble fiber has been shown to be critical for
cardiovascular health in many studies. It prevents LDL cholesterol from turning into plaque and sticking
to the arterial walls. After two TIA's ( mini strokes ) last year, I quit drinking alcohol and increased my intake
of fruit,nuts,and cold water fish. The fruits and nuts are good sources of soluble fiber. My doctor and I credit
my last two checkups giving me a clean bill of health was largely due to my change in diet. I also eat red meat,but
I make sure it's lean and avoid the processed crap and sources of LDL like bacon and fried foods.

How to add more fiber to your diet

Some of the health benefits of eating dietary fiber might surprise you. Find out what fiber can do for you and how to get more in your diet.

www.mayoclinic.org

 

[Dago]

Nuts are high in carbs and are not Keto friendly. They are a super food when it comes to fighting
high LDL cholesterol levels. I'm living proof. I'm am now off cholesterol and blood pressure meds
Beans and Nuts are a staple of my diet now.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases...cholesterol/in-depth/cholesterol/art-20045192

Depends...pecans are only one net carb per ounce

 

[faceman]

Depends...pecans are only one net carb per ounce

yep and others like cashews are loaded with them. Both have been shown to reduce
blood pressure and cholesterol as much as some prescription medications. Since I'm
not on a keto diet and don't count carbs, i'm not worried. Adding a few handfuls of
unsalted nuts daily is a wise choice for cardiovascular health.

 

[Dago]

yep and others like cashews are loaded with them. Both have been shown to reduce
blood pressure and cholesterol as much as some prescription medications. Since I'm
not on a keto diet and don't count carbs, i'm not worried. Adding a few handfuls of
unsalted nuts daily is a wise choice for cardiovascular health.

I agree but in your post you said nuts aren't keto friendly and that isn't true. You can be on keto and get those same health benefits