Triplett says Saints Interest in Chris "Beanie" Wells is "Bona Fide"

[BleedBlackNGold]

You're absolutely right. The ebb and flow goes like this:

for: we should draft Beanie because [reason A]
against: [reason A] is founded on questionable logic.
for: [offers no counter, moves to reason B]
against: Let's look at [reason B] in depth.
for: [offers no counter except for a highlight video] maybe this will change your mind
(someone who has not participated in the debate): after watching that, let's draft him! yes! please!
against: Dude, really? A highlight video? Haven't we discussed 50 million times why you can't fairly judge a player based on a highlight video??!?!
for: you just don't want him, that's all.
against: I'd be for him if our offense wasn't already potent. most of its problems are fixable from within. I just don't think this is the year to burn our only day 1 pick on offense.
for: beanie's a bruiser!
against: no, he's just big. he actually runs like a small back.
for: stiffarm! 235 pounds! 4.3 40!
against: he still runs like a smaller back. even OSU fans say as much. And he actually ran near a 4.4.
for: but he's 235 pounds. he can come in on third-and-1 and get the first.
against: that's not a 100% guarantee; he's a 235-pound guy who runs soft!!!
(then all the side discussions take place...)

This man gets it +1

 

[Rickysmyhero]

the argument can definitly be made that he is injury prone....but the notion that he is "soft" is completely unjustified....after all....he was rested by his coach during "meaningless" games so that he could be healthy for the remainder of the season...in fact he came back while he was still nursing his injury and PLAYED the majority of his college career with injuries

he is definitly injury prone...but he is most definitly not soft

Well, I haven't watched him enough personally to opine for sure, but what I do know is alot of the OSU fans on the rivals site think he is soft and should have been able to play in some of their big games he missed with the injuries he had.

I know he looked dang good in NC game in the dome against LSU. Alot of players on that Tiger D, except Harry Coleman, who blew him up, appeared to be hesistant about coming up and hitting him in the teeth.

 

[diat150]

diat, it's not a reinvention. The drive started with 8.26 left on the clock. They started off passing on the drive. Nevertheless, 5 of the last 10 plays before the two minute warning were running plays. The other five were dink and donk plays that allowed for ball control and prevented the Eagles from keying in just to stop the run. The versatility of having two runners like Reggie and Deuce, along with the ability of Sean Payton to mix things up, prevented the Eagles from finding a way to stop us in that final sequence of the game. Without such versatility, you are left to rely solely on the pass, which is not always going to be the right recipe for success. I would imagine that had we been able to run the ball against Tampa in that last game, we come out the victors and not on the losing end. I do think Payton should have involved Pierre more in that game but for whatever reason he did not. Still, the point remains. When you have a runner like Wells, it opens things up for your offense just as it does when Reggie is on the field. When we had Deuce, the threat of his running forced teams to play us more honestly. At the same time, having the ability to throw the ball downfield and incorporate Reggie into both the running and passing game kept defenses from solely responding to the run.

no, it is a reinvention. you said that we ran out the clock rushing deuce, let me show you again:

LIKE THE EAGLES DID NOT DO IN THE LAST 9 MINUTES BACK IN 2006 BECAUSE WE RAN DEUCE UNTIL THE CLOCK RAN OUT

just admit you made a mistake.

what I find funny is that you mention how we were able to drive down the field due to the versatility of deuce and reggie, but yet want to draft a one dimensional player to replace the "deuce" in our offense instead of using the multi dimensional thomas that has shown nothing but upside and versatility in this offense. it just doesnt compute.

 

[REALCHRISM]

You're absolutely right. The ebb and flow goes like this:

for: we should draft Beanie because [reason A]
against: [reason A] is founded on questionable logic.
for: [offers no counter, moves to reason B]
against: Let's look at [reason B] in depth.
for: [offers no counter except for a highlight video] maybe this will change your mind
(someone who has not participated in the debate): after watching that, let's draft him! yes! please!
against: Dude, really? A highlight video? Haven't we discussed 50 million times why you can't fairly judge a player based on a highlight video??!?!
for: you just don't want him, that's all.
against: I'd be for him if our offense wasn't already potent. most of its problems are fixable from within. I just don't think this is the year to burn our only day 1 pick on offense.
for: beanie's a bruiser!
against: no, he's just big. he actually runs like a small back.
for: stiffarm! 235 pounds! 4.3 40!
against: he still runs like a smaller back. even OSU fans say as much. And he actually ran near a 4.4.
for: but he's 235 pounds. he can come in on third-and-1 and get the first.
against: that's not a 100% guarantee; he's a 235-pound guy who runs soft!!!
(then all the side discussions take place...)

Yes, I am quite sure that's exactly what I have done the last few months--offer faulty logic that is only faulty in the mind of those who are against the choice of Wells and then buttress those arguments with highlight videos of Chris Wells. In fact, I have not written any single logical argument in defense of drafting Wells; instead, I use videos to explain why he would be a great pick if the team chose to go in that direction. As a matter of fact, I am looking for a new video right now just to continue to make the case for Wells. By the way, Danchrism, your insight is so deeply appreciated. I always look for your posts because I know that I will be left in awe of your sound football acumen; you, my friend, truly get it. I am quite sure it is your deepening insight that made you such an exceptional student at Morehouse. Oh, I might want to tread lightly since you're a moderator NOW. :1zhelp:

 

[ScottRay504]

If we can't find a way to run the ball consistently (more consistently then we do currently at least),
Brees will eventually get injured. The law of averages will eventually be at work.
He's a small QB to begin with, I think having a big brute RB is going to be key for a long healthy career with Drew.

 

[diat150]

Yes, I am quite sure that's exactly what I have done the last few months--offer faulty logic that is only faulty in the mind of those who are against the choice of Wells and then buttress those arguments with highlight videos of Chris Wells. In fact, I have not written any single logical argument in defense of drafting Wells; instead, I use videos to explain why he would be a great pick if the team chose to go in that direction. As a matter of fact, I am looking for a new video right now just to continue to make the case for Wells. By the way, Danchrism, your insight is so deeply appreciated. I always look for your posts because I know that I will be left in awe of your sound football acumen; you, my friend, truly get it. I am quite sure it is your deepening insight that made you such an exceptional student at Morehouse. Oh, I might want to tread lightly since you're a moderator NOW. :1zhelp:

at least he isnt guilty of historical revisionism.

 

[REALCHRISM]

no, it is a reinvention. you said that we ran out the clock rushing deuce, let me show you again:



just admit you made a mistake.

what I find funny is that you mention how we were able to drive down the field due to the versatility of deuce and reggie, but yet want to draft a one dimensional player to replace the "deuce" in our offense instead of using the multi dimensional thomas that has shown nothing but upside and versatility in this offense. it just doesnt compute.

Okay, I made a mistake. Does that make you happy even if it does not strenghten your argument against drafting Wells?

Wells is not one-dimensional. Just because you're not asked to catch the ball much does not mean that you cannot catch the ball. He looked very good according to a number of scouts catching the ball during his pro day workout. Adrian Peterson caught 24 passes in his career at Oklahoma. I guess we would not want him either. Tomlinson only caught 10 passes his senior season for a whopping 40 yards. I cannot believe he has caught 510 in the NFL seeing as though he, too, was considered one-dimensional.

Pierre is a good back. Has he PROVEN he can stay healthy when asked to shoulder the load? Ah, yes, moving right along.

 

[saintmike23]

Yes, I am quite sure that's exactly what I have done the last few months--offer faulty logic that is only faulty in the mind of those who are against the choice of Wells and then buttress those arguments with highlight videos of Chris Wells. In fact, I have not written any single logical argument in defense of drafting Wells; instead, I use videos to explain why he would be a great pick if the team chose to go in that direction. As a matter of fact, I am looking for a new video right now just to continue to make the case for Wells. By the way, Danchrism, your insight is so deeply appreciated. I always look for your posts because I know that I will be left in awe of your sound football acumen; you, my friend, truly get it. I am quite sure it is your deepening insight that made you such an exceptional student at Morehouse. Oh, I might want to tread lightly since you're a moderator NOW. :1zhelp:

No your arguments are not logical and I showed you why. Wells may be ranked high　in your scouting department but his value to the Saints is very low. He will not improve the team enough to　add to our winning pct.

 

[REALCHRISM]

Here's the funny thing. The Saints have a very strong possibility of drafting Chris Wells whether you like it or not. Like me, you better hope that Malcolm Jenkins is there when we pick and we decide to go with him. If not, and we take Wells, your beef won't be with me. While I have made the case for Wells, I do not make the picks for the Saints. So your beef will be with the Saints. Have you thought about what you're going to tell Mickey Loomis and Sean Payton? Ah, yes, moving right along.

 

[REALCHRISM]

No your arguments are not logical and I showed you why. Wells may be ranked high　in your scouting department but his value to the Saints is very low. He will not improve the team enough to　add to our winning pct.

Okay, if you say so kiddo. And if the Saints take him, then his very low value to the Saints will mean that they like taking players with low value who do not improve the team enough to add to its winning percentage. Again, better get that memo to Loomis and Payton quickly so that they can stop considering Wells with the #14 pick.

See, now this Wells thing has gotten to the point of drollery. I really wish Jenkins is there. But part of me now wishes that he is not just to see faces around drop if and when the Saints do the illogical thing of drafting Chris "It's only about your name that makes you even liked" Wells.

 

[saintmike23]

Here's the funny thing. The Saints have a very strong possibility of drafting Chris Wells whether you like it or not. Like me, you better hope that Malcolm Jenkins is there when we pick and we decide to go with him. If not, and we take Wells, your beef won't be with me. While I have made the case for Wells, I do not make the picks for the Saints. So your beef will be with the Saints. Have you thought about what you're going to tell Mickey Loomis and Sean Payton? Ah, yes, moving right along.

Payton is a smart guy. He made his mistake with Meachem in 2007. They took a trip to LA last week and they like the LB prospects. They wont take Wells. Even if Maclin fell they wouldnt take him they would try to trade. OF course I am playing GM again.

 

[diat150]

Okay, I made a mistake.

Wells is not one-dimensional. Just because you're not asked to catch the ball much does not mean that you cannot catch the ball. He looked very good according to a number of scouts catching the ball during his pro day workout. Adrian Peterson caught 24 passes in his career at Oklahoma. I guess we would not want him either. Tomlinson only caught 10 passes his senior season for a whopping 40 yards. I cannot believe he has caught 510 in the NFL seeing as though he, too, was considered one-dimensional.

Pierre is a good back. Has he PROVEN he can stay healthy when asked to shoulder the load? Ah, yes, moving right along.

well, the thing is you are trying to compare wells to deuce as far as versatility goes. yeah he may not be completely horrible at catching the ball but deuce was lauded as a faulk type back and some pundits even went so far as to say that deuce had the ability to be a starting wr in the league. thats where the problem is. do you really believe wells will bring that versatility? compared to thomas who has shown that he can easily catch 40-50 balls (possibly more) a year in this offense....

You want to talk about injuries? beanie wells has been beat up alot. thomas has been beat up a little bit. thats the nature of the position. the issue is that on the defensive side of the ball we have no depth. who is our depth at safety if someone gets injured? who is our depth at lb if someone gets injured? how about DT? thats not to mention the 4-5 starters on defense that we could really use an upgrade. we just dont need to spend so much at the rb position, especially when you consider the production we got out of stecker when he started a few games and also thomas as a starter. there are plenty of guys that can step in this offense and put up decent numbers in a crunch. that isnt going to happen on the defensive side of the ball.

 

[Danchrism]

Yes, I am quite sure that's exactly what I have done the last few months--offer faulty logic that is only faulty in the mind of those who are against the choice of Wells and then buttress those arguments with highlight videos of Chris Wells. In fact, I have not written any single logical argument in defense of drafting Wells; instead, I use videos to explain why he would be a great pick if the team chose to go in that direction. As a matter of fact, I am looking for a new video right now just to continue to make the case for Wells. By the way, Danchrism, your insight is so deeply appreciated. I always look for your posts because I know that I will be left in awe of your sound football acumen; you, my friend, truly get it. I am quite sure it is your deepening insight that made you such an exceptional student at Morehouse. Oh, I might want to tread lightly since you're a moderator NOW. :1zhelp:

What do they say about hit dogs?

And, I'm going to drop rank for a moment, completely ignore the attempt at a personal attack on me (and ask that every other moderator do the same), and remind you (you know, since we discussed this before via PMs) that my grandmother's first bout with breast cancer is the reason I left Morehouse. Frankly, I'm appalled you went there, not only as a Morehouse brother but then also just as a person.

Carry on.

 

[REALCHRISM]

Payton is a smart guy. He made his mistake with Meachem in 2007. They took a trip to LA last week and they like the LB prospects. They wont take Wells. Even if Maclin fell they wouldnt take him they would try to trade. OF course I am playing GM again.

Okay. Then there is nothing left to say as I have said in previous posts...err, threads.

well, the thing is you are trying to compare wells to deuce as far as versatility goes. yeah he may not be completely horrible at catching the ball but deuce was lauded as a faulk type back and some pundits even went so far as to say that deuce had the ability to be a starting wr in the league. thats where the problem is. do you really believe wells will bring that versatility? compared to thomas who has shown that he can easily catch 40-50 balls (possibly more) a year in this offense....

You want to talk about injuries? beanie wells has been beat up alot. thomas has been beat up a little bit. thats the nature of the position. the issue is that on the defensive side of the ball we have no depth. who is our depth at safety if someone gets injured? who is our depth at lb if someone gets injured? how about DT? thats not to mention the 4-5 starters on defense that we could really use an upgrade. we just dont need to spend so much at the rb position, especially when you consider the production we got out of stecker when he started a few games and also thomas as a starter. there are plenty of guys that can step in this offense and put up decent numbers in a crunch. that isnt going to happen on the defensive side of the ball.

No question, Deuce was a very versatile back coming out of Ole Miss who was considered to have some of the best hands in the entire drafting class. Deuce is much more advanced in that regard than Wells and most backs coming into the league not named Reggie Bush. At the same time, that does not mean that Wells cannot be a guy who can catch 30 balls in your offense as Deuce did in 2006. I think you are in agreement with me that Bush will get the bulk of the receptions of any back in our offense barring injury. So that's about 80 to 100 balls. I am also sure that Pierre Thomas will catch a lot of passes as well. As long as Wells is competent in the receiving game, he will catch passes as well. He does not have to be Reggie Bush just as Reggie Bush does not have to be Chris Wells or Pierre Thomas. You want guys who can catch. Gil Brandt, Todd McShay and several others said that Wells showed natural receiving ability at his pro day. Even if that's an exaggeration, it does suggest that Wells does not lack the versatility needed to succeed in our offensive scheme.

Beanie Wells has been injured. And he has played through those injuries. He's missed three games due to injury. Thomas has missed two and would have missed a third if we had to play a team the week after that game against Chicago his rookie season. Part of the reason for drafting another back, whether it is in the first or later, is to be able to keep your guys fresher. Wells and Thomas would both benefit from having each other on the team as would Reggie Bush in terms of staying healthy. The worst thing that can occur is that you lose a back and no longer have any viable option for running the football. Thomas, Bush, and Wells (if they choose to take him) would give us three viable options.

Safety? There is NO safety worst a first round pick in this draft. Now, that said, I am a huge fan of Malcolm Jenkins. He's my top choice in this draft. If he is there, he's a guy who offers versatility and can play safety for you. If he is not there, can you tell me what safety you draft in the first round?

DT? The Saints will not go this route in the first round. They are very committed to Sed Ellis at the 3-tech. With Raji expected to be off the board, the next best guy is Peria Jerry. I doubt you see that happen. Also, they do have some depth at DT right now.

LB? The position has depth. You have Shanle, Vilma, Fujita, Morgan, Mitchell, Dunbar, Evans, etc. What the position lacks, outside of Vilma and possibly Morgan depending on how he comes along, is impact talent. It's a steady group, not a spectacular group. They can stand an upgrade. The draft is very deep at LB despite being a weak draft overall. I think there is much better chance of getting a solid LB who can add depth to your club in the fourth round than there is the chance of getting the right sort of back to add to your offense. People clamor of Rashade Jennings, Andre Brown and Shonn Greene. But chance are those guys will all be gone when we select again in the fourth. Also, the Saints feel pleased with their LBs. Sure, they feel they could stand an upgrade. But if they had to go into the season with this group, they are more than comfortable doing so. In any other draft, linebackers without the surname of Curry or Maualuga are all second rounders. This year, however, you got those guys going in the first. Is Cushing at better prospect, for instance, than say, Paul Posluszney? Is Clay Matthews, Jr., a better prospect than, say, Demeco Ryans? I am not comparing the LB position they play as much as the overall talent/value of each player.

And here's the REALLY interesting thing. Again, as much as there is a call to upgrade the linebackers, the Saints are MORE inclined to addressing the secondary and defensive end in the first round than they are committed to taking a LB.