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I'll just just say that while 2014 is part of the puzzle as to how we got here, that whole episode is water under the bridge at this point. It's 2024 now, 10 years later. Let's focus the discussion more on the here and now and debate the other stuff on the politics board.Nice try and using some mental gymnastics to avoid saying he or we made a mistake. I see posters here on SR making similar arguments or philosophical or logical fallacies all the time and no one counters by quoting Hume or G.E. Moore.
The problem, as I see it, is that "optics" from 2014 show Putin defying world opinion and international law by seizing territory from a weak, divided country and later on, some people use "whataboutism" to cover up not admitting maybe we made a mistake because it was one mistake among many. At least bclemms was honest enough to say we can admit we made a mistake and try to do better, in retrospect.
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