Ukraine (31 Viewers)

[baarbogast]

 

[BigFrosty]

 

[Tapxe]

That is exactly what I'd expect the US position to be. Personally, I'd like to avoid a WW3 shooting war if at all possible. The 'Ukr is losing lives' argument isn't nearly so convincing when I add in a full blown conflict with NATO vs Ru & it's allies.

Do I want them to die? Of course not. Is adding millions more troops and bullets going to help? IDK, I don't have access to the intel needed.

 

[Sailorsaint]

That is exactly what I'd expect the US position to be. Personally, I'd like to avoid a WW3 shooting war if at all possible. The 'Ukr is losing lives' argument isn't nearly so convincing when I add in a full blown conflict with NATO vs Ru & it's allies.

Do I want them to die? Of course not. Is adding millions more troops and bullets going to help? IDK, I don't have access to the intel needed.

Russia is in no shape to fight NATO. Unless they have assurances from China that they have their back, they won’t escalate. China makes too much money from the USA. The only thing they get from Russia is oil. If they can get cheap oil from Russia and make money from the US, they won’t escalate.

 

[bclemms]

Russia is in no shape to fight NATO. Unless they have assurances from China that they have their back, they won’t escalate. China makes too much money from the USA. The only thing they get from Russia is oil. If they can get cheap oil from Russia and make money from the US, they won’t escalate.

I also think any red line Russia has drawn is meaningless. They are trying to wait out the election and wont do anything prior to January 20th.

The last thing Russia wants to do is have the tide turn even further and have a united USA against them. We should use this and push the boundaries really hard between now and then.

 

[Luther Heggs]

 

[Tapxe]

LOL had to look up Palianytsia as I'd not heard that term.

Palianytsia - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Palianytsia is a type of Ukrainian hearth-baked bread, made mostly of wheat flour in a home oven. The yeast hearth bread has a semi-circular cut across the top third of the loaf.

The word comes from Ukrainian: пали́ти, romanized: palyty, meaning "to burn" or "to smoke". This is because, when baking the bread, the raised crust can sometimes be burned.

 

[baarbogast]

 

[efil4stnias]

just vote em out already huh EU? what in the world are you waiting for?

 

[Tapxe]

any red line Russia has drawn is meaningless

We also have to consider a China red line that is only implied.

If we over commit to Ukr, Taiwan could pay the price. At best, advanced microprocessor production would be significantly impacted and at worst, completely destroyed before China commandeered it. Either way, it's not a good time for defense and manufacture.

 

[Tapxe]

just vote em out already huh EU? what in the world are you waiting for?

If there was no good reason to keep them, it'd already have been done. My guess is it allows for lines of communication.

Oh and it's not like this is particularly new. Austria's law allows for espionage so long as it isn't against Austria.

An espionage scandal rocks Austria, laying bare alleged Russian spying operations across Europe

Austria faces its biggest espionage scandal in decades as the arrest of a former intelligence officer brings to light evidence of extensive Russian infiltration, lax official oversight and behavior worthy of a spy novel.

apnews.com

https://tile.loc.gov/storage-services/service/ll/llglrd/2021687441/2021687441.pdf

§ 2 5 4 . S p y i n g o f s t a t e s e c r e t s .1) Whoever procures or retains a state secret with the intent of makingit known or accessible to a foreign power, to a supranational or internationalorganization, or to the public at large, and [with the intent] of therebycreating the danger of a serious detriment to the defense of the AustrianRepublic, or for the relations of the Austrian Republic to a foreign poweror a supranational or international organization, shall be punished withimprisonment of six months to five years.

§ 2 5 6 . S e c r e t i n t e l l i g e n c e s e r v i c e t o t h e d e t r i m e n t o fAustriaWhoever, to the detriment of the Republic of Austria, establishes or operatesa secret intelligence service , or gives any kind of support to such anintelligence service, shall be punished with up to three years’ imprisonment.

 

[boutte]

just vote em out already huh EU? what in the world are you waiting for?

Apparently diplomacy is prohibits common sense.

 

[Sailorsaint]

 

[nolaspe]

 

[SamAndreas]

That looks like a flaring off of natural gas from a tower made for that purpose to me. It looks like it's burning under control.

That much flare off does indicate a disruption in the shipping of the gas. They have to waste it if they cannot ship it to a market.