Underhill on Payton (2 Viewers)

[Scorpius the Allfather]

I love that movie!

 

[Saint Spud]

No. There is still no more reported than before. Still silence. Still pure speculation. Even by Glazer who did not say, "Sean told me" about any of this. Still much ado about literally nothing because nothing is what we have. Not one of these talking heads have contributed a scitilla of substance.

The only thing we know that can be considered fact is that Payton has been silent on the issue. Everything else stems from that one fact.

I did listen. My ‘supposedly’ statement was in reference to reading where he’d (Glazer) been quoted as saying that Sean has considered retirement but (Sean) waffles back and forth.

This transcript reads to me that the idea of stepping away has been broached by Sean, to Jay.

"Sean (Payton) changes his mind every two seconds. We talk about it a lot. It's why I haven't reported anything because he changes his mind like every two minutes," Glazer said.

“But that’s also why I said two weeks ago on FOX NFL Sunday during the coaching carousel was that there could be a coach or two step away just because of these last two years of COVID, it’s taken its toll on people.”

Glazer said that Payton keeps going back and forth, that he was in Cabo the last couple of weeks, and that he has a meeting with owner Gayle Benson again in the early part of the week.

Regardless, it isn’t that serious to me, but I do hope he stays on.

I don’t know what else people want to hear lol.

Anyway, hopefully he decides to come back.

 

[MJ in Calif]

Good point.

It does not mean that the reporting is wrong. It just becomes charged and it leads to a lot of false reporting.

I was okay with everything you said until the last sentence. You seem to be double talking. If the reporting is false, doesn't that make it wrong? Or am I misinterpreting and there is a difference between false reporting and being wrong? And isn't false reporting by definition fake news?

 

[DaveXA]

I was okay with everything you said until the last sentence. You seem to be double talking. If the reporting is false, doesn't that make it wrong? Or am I misinterpreting and there is a difference between false reporting and being wrong? And isn't false reporting by definition fake news?

The reporting specific facts isn't wrong, but framing those facts to build a narrative that the facts don't really support is when it becomes hyperbolic or false reporting.

 

[dvdman]

Does anyone ever wonder where the Glazers, Rappaports and others get their news “leaks” from? I mean it must be someone in Saints organization. It’s truly comical sometimes because what makes these guys so special to get the info over other media reps?

 

[Saint Spud]

The reporting specific facts isn't wrong, but framing those facts to build a narrative that the facts don't really support is when it becomes hyperbolic or false reporting.

How is it a narrative if he’s seriously considering not coming back and coaching the Saints in 2022? That’s not a narrative. It’s a fact, reported by several reputable people, one of whom has a direct line to Payton and doesn’t sensationalize.

 

[DaveXA]

How is it a narrative if he’s seriously considering not coming back and coaching the Saints in 2022? That’s not a narrative. It’s a fact, reported by several reputable people, one of whom has a direct line to Payton and doesn’t sensationalize.

Quote the source then.

 

[Saint Spud]

Quote the source then.

Jay Glazer

Source is Sean Payton.

If you are telling me you believe either one of them is lying, then I guess we’re just not going to see eye to eye on this.

 

[DaveXA]

Jay Glazer

Source is Sean Payton.

If you are telling me you believe either one of them is lying, then I guess we’re just not going to see eye to eye on this.

That's not a quote.

 

[Saint Spud]

That's not a quote.

The quotes are from Glazer’s interviews from yesterday. Feel free to listen.

 

[DaveXA]

The quotes are from Glazer’s interviews from yesterday. Feel free to listen.

I did, and he never clearly said Payton told him he's seriously considering retirement. You need to quote specifically what he said, otherwise I'll assume he didn't say it. I'm not taking your word for it.

 

[Saint Spud]

I did, and he never clearly said Payton told him he's seriously considering retirement. You need to quote specifically what he said, otherwise I'll assume he didn't say it. I'm not taking your word for it.

When he says “he changes his mind every two seconds” and the question is about his coaching future, do you think he’s debating what he’s going to have for lunch?

Come on, man! LOL!!

 

[DaveXA]

When he says “he changes his mind every two seconds” and the question is about his coaching future, do you think he’s debating what he’s going to have for lunch?

Come on, man! LOL!!

I'm saying that comment isn't a serious comment. Think about it. If you're changing your mind every 2 seconds, does that sound like something to worry about? If it does, then that's your prerogative. Saying he's changing his mind every 2 seconds =/= Payton stated he's seriously considering retirement.

 

[Saint Spud]

I'm saying that comment isn't a serious comment. Think about it. If you're changing your mind every 2 seconds, does that sound like something to worry about? If it does, then that's your prerogative. Saying he's changing his mind every 2 seconds =/= Payton stated he's seriously considering retirement.

Fair enough. We clearly view this differently.

Hopefully he comes back and none of this matters.

 

[DavidM]

I'm saying that comment isn't a serious comment. Think about it. If you're changing your mind every 2 seconds, does that sound like something to worry about? If it does, then that's your prerogative. Saying he's changing his mind every 2 seconds =/= Payton stated he's seriously considering retirement.

And Glazer was asked direct questions and really didn't give direct and definitive answers.

As far as I know, there still aren't any direct quotes from Payton or anybody in his immediate circle, or high up in the organization, about what he's thinking about right now, and how that relates to his future with the team.

But, I do think there's probably something going on, we just don't know what that is without filling in our own pieces. He's been here a long time by head coaching standards and this past season was grueling for the team, and no doubt took a toll on everybody to some degree. If Payton is feeling burned out, that wouldn't surprise me. Still, all we have is speculation and secondhand information.