UnitedHealth CEO shot (1 Viewer)

[Saintman2884]

Redo it was Randy Weaver and ask again
Less slippery slope fallacy

Waco was still a massive FBI, ATF overreach and it was still handled terribly by the supervising FBI agents in charge so maybe not as slippery slope fallacy as it seems. That Branch Davidian compound didnt have to burn down to the ground being televised on-repeat all over the country on our T.V. sets in 1993. I still believe a lot of those who were burnt to death couldve been saved if the FBI had maybe exercised a little more patience.

Then again, it's easy in hindsight to criticize FBI or other major law enforcement agencies' protocols and procedures and considering Koresh was some fringe, deluded millienialiast who believed the FBI's raid on their compound was a confirmation of his End Times Prophecy, maybe the FBI's attempts to rescue innocent men, women and children inside was a near-impossibility. Who knows? Maybe we never will.

 

[Hubig]

 

[UncleTrvlingJim]

We glorify wealth too much in this country. Wealth accumulation has become a goal in and of itself and society worships those who obtain it. It allows those pursuing it to overlook the people they hurt or even just ignore that they could help on the way and still see themselves as good people. “Sure, I could have paid for that persons life saving treatment, but not doing so allowed me to leverage the money to net me even greater wealth which could theoretically be used for even greater good (which I will of course put off doing”).

I generally consider myself a free market guy, but only when the overall social norm is to value people over wealth, and I think our society has lost that value.

 

[Eeyore]

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

His dad wouldn’t be the shooter
Susie Derkins definitely would be, though

 

[Zaphod]

His dad wouldn’t be the shooter
Susie Derkins definitely would be, though

Susie was all talk. Spaceman Spiff on the other hand..

 

[Mr. Blue Sky]

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Am i the only one surprised to see a Broussard and a Boudreaux on that ultra-exclusive list ? Just me ??

 

[SystemShock]

so many people are so gung ho USA! USA!. they are blinded to believe we are the best country in the world. but they have never been anywhere else. they were just born here and know nothing else.
how do you know your mom's gumbo is the best when it's the only gumbo you've ever eaten?

it's not easy to pick up and go somewhere else. it's hard. to leave family and friends..
but if i had the opportunity, i would move to Canada or somewhere like that in a heat beat..

There's a large number of Canadians living here in Mérida. The ones I've met, to the person, everyone has a horror story about the Canadian healthcare system.

 

[Hubig]

There's a large number of Canadians living here in Merida. The ones I've met, to the person, everyone has a horror story about the Canadian healthcare system.

I've heard nothing but horror stories from people who live in those free healthcare countries. Takes forever to see someone and the quality is often much lower. I'm sure theres a ton of pros to it but people act like its some utopia. I do agree, health insurance industry is probably the 3rd most scummiest industry on the planet behind politician and journalism industries.

 

[Dragon]

I've heard nothing but horror stories from people who live in those free healthcare countries. Takes forever to see someone and the quality is often much lower. I'm sure theres a ton of pros to it but people act like its some utopia. I do agree, health insurance industry is probably the 3rd most scummiest industry on the planet behind politician and journalism industries.

I live in a country with free healthcare, and I find it hard to relate to your description. By law, hospitals and specialists are required to begin examinations or treatment for most illnesses within a specific timeframe. For serious conditions like cancer, the process starts within 7 days. The healthcare system is also deeply integrated with social services and other support networks.

When I broke my ankle a few years ago, not only did they provide excellent medical care, but they also arranged for the delivery of essential items to my home, including a wheelchair, bath stool, and crutches. These were all provided for the months it took for my ankle to heal. They even scheduled physiotherapy sessions twice a week during my recovery — all free of charge.

After my recent diagnosis of a serious degenerative illness, the system worked just as seamlessly. Within a week, I was approved for three weekly physiotherapy sessions with specialists in my condition. They’re now identifying additional aids that could support me going forward. Once again, all of this is provided free of charge, and I didn’t even have to request it — they automatically follow a comprehensive checklist tailored to each illness.

 

[Mr. Blue Sky]

I live in a country with free healthcare, and I find it hard to relate to your description. By law, hospitals and specialists are required to begin examinations or treatment for most illnesses within a specific timeframe. For serious conditions like cancer, the process starts within 7 days. The healthcare system is also deeply integrated with social services and other support networks.

When I broke my ankle a few years ago, not only did they provide excellent medical care, but they also arranged for the delivery of essential items to my home, including a wheelchair, bath stool, and crutches. These were all provided for the months it took for my ankle to heal. They even scheduled physiotherapy sessions twice a week during my recovery — all free of charge.

After my recent diagnosis of a serious degenerative illness, the system worked just as seamlessly. Within a week, I was approved for three weekly physiotherapy sessions with specialists in my condition. They’re now identifying additional aids that could support me going forward. Once again, all of this is provided free of charge, and I didn’t even have to request it — they automatically follow a comprehensive checklist tailored to each illness.

Same same… in re to what the two posters above you said, over the years i have heard nothing but raves from my Canadian and European friends in regard to their healthcare experiences.. not saying that bad things havent happened, but i havent heard about them.. I particularly hear extremely positive things from the ones i know who have lived both in America *and* in Canada, UK or wherever they are from and they have the ability to compare their home systems with the system in USA- i hear over and over that there’s no comparison, and that they are glad to pay higher taxes to ensure that their healthcare wont go away if they lose their job or otherwise have a downturn in life .

 

[Poppy]

Ive always been instructed on here to never criticize the poster, only the post- so i will say that your post is delusional.. but you are 100% correct about one thing : You definitely do not get it ….. To try and answer your question- Could it be that we are at the point of no return b/c while the US has around 370 million residents, it has around 400 million guns ? I think that's pretty ****ing damning… America’s also the only country in the developed world where you legit have to keep your head on a swivel when you go out in public because you might get shot.. same with sending your kids off to school…. I honestly cant believe people exist who think we dont have a problem, or that we are not at the point of no return .. and who simply ‘don’t get it’, as you yourself have admitted .

Do you own guns?

 

[Mr. Blue Sky]

Do you own guns?

No, but im not sure what that even means in re to my post and the points i was attempting to make (?) For whatever it’s worth (and im not sure what point *you* are trying to make)- but i grew up in South Louisiana in a gun-heavy culture, i knew way more people who had guns than people who did not have guns.. and i never understood it, or their mentality .. Besides, it’s moot anyway since i recently moved overseas and they wouldnt have let me in with a gun(s) even if id wanted to bring one .

 

[Poppy]

No, but im not sure what that even means in re to my post and the points i was attempting to make (?) For whatever it’s worth (and im not sure what point *you* are trying to make)- but i grew up in South Louisiana in a gun-heavy culture, i knew way more people who had guns than people who did not have guns.. and i never understood it, or their mentality .. Besides, it’s moot anyway since recently moved overseas and they wouldnt have let me in with a gun(s) even if id wanted to bring one .

Its ok that you don't understand it. And it's not required for you have them. You have that freedom. I personally believe the 2nd amendment is the greatest right we have as citizens. Equal to free speech. I bet you'd like to take away the right of someone to say something that you despise. Hate speech for instance. You'd love to have it removed and criminalized.
So, I have guns. I conceal carry. I've possibly even had my gun on me as you sat a few tables down from me in a restaurant in the city. So if a crazed individual walks in one day, and decides he wants to shoot the place up. I have a feeling you'll like me then. We're at the point of no return right?? Guess we should even the playing field.

 

[Mr. Blue Sky]

Its ok that you don't understand it. And it's not required for you have them. You have that freedom. I personally believe the 2nd amendment is the greatest right we have as citizens. Equal to free speech. I bet you'd like to take away the right of someone to say something that you despise. Hate speech for instance. You'd love to have it removed and criminalized.
So, I have guns. I conceal carry. I've possibly even had my gun on me as you sat a few tables down from me in a restaurant in the city. So if a crazed individual walks in one day, and decides he wants to shoot the place up. I have a feeling you'll like me then. We're at the point of no return right?? Guess we should even the playing field.

Ah, so we are dealing with a “good guy with a gun”.. since i am not allowed here to criticize the poster, and b/c i dont want to get this thread moved to the political site, or shut down- i will leave it at that .