UnitedHealth CEO shot (11 Viewers)

[CapitalCitySaint]

But you're not concerned with the "good guy with a gun" killing people in public on the street of New York?

Nope. He’s not out killing random people in a grocery store or restaurant. He’s not looking for me or you.

 

[St. Widge]

Nobody is advocating murder. We are merely shrugging our shoulders and saying “good”. The same way the uber rich rich people shrug their shoulders & celebrate when people die unnecessarily in order for them to get richer and obtain more power. In fact, they celebrate these deaths with lavish parties, bonuses, new yachts, mansions, jewels, planes, golden parachutes and buy off more politicians.

I wish you were this passionate about defending “the people” as you are defending scumbags who had it coming.

Many have in fact advocated for murder. Beyond that shrugging your shoulders at it is nearly as bad.

As for your question how do you change it without murder, which is in and of itself a justification and support for murder, it Canada and Denmark, for instance have single payer government funded health care, as does the U.K., and I don't recall it taking murdering CEOs to get it. So obviously there are non-violent ways to achieve it.

 

[St. Widge]

Nope. He’s not out killing random people in a grocery store or restaurant. He’s not looking for me or you.

That is, of course, assuming that the members of the revolution don't decide that all people working in the healthcare system are complicit and therefore free game for future assassinations.

 

[St. Widge]

I’m not predicting what the outcome of violent acts of opposition will be. This is what I’m saying:

The more people suffer / feel disenfranchised or hopeless, the longer that suffering goes on, the greater the likelihood of violence.

If it rains too long or too heavily, eventually it floods.

I don't disagree with that. What I disagree with are those, not necessarily you, advocating, excusing, and celebrating murder and treating it as though it is the only solution to the problem when it's likely not even a solution. It will likely only cause things to get worse.

 

[CapitalCitySaint]

That is, of course, assuming that the members of the revolution don't decide that all people working in the healthcare system are complicit and therefore free game for future assassinations.

I work in the healthcare system. I know they are not complicit.

 

[Eeyore]

This past February, I was seeing a neurologist that was terrible and started searching for a new one. My family doctor recommended one he thought highly of so I get in touch and they told me it would be September before they could see me. I was blown away.

I was only able to see my rheumatologist because my cardiologist is his friend. My cardiologist asked me why I was walking like I was and I explained the situation. He stopped and called the rheumatologist, hung up and said that I needed to take any appointment that is offered and that his friend was doing a favor for him. I'm only a few miles from Chicago. It shouldn't be this difficult.

 

[DavidM]

I don't disagree with that. What I disagree with are those, not necessarily you, advocating, excusing, and celebrating murder.

I understand. I was trying to be clear in my first reply to you in this thread where I was coming from.

I think what you’re missing, or it’s not coming through in what you’re saying, is a lot of people have had bad experiences on a personal level when it comes to health insurance and health care, where profits and/or politics are the culprit, and they just aren’t in the headspace anymore to feel sympathy for a figurehead of a system that they long ago had to accept has no sympathy for them.

 

[SystemShock]

I don’t know much about the Mexican healthcare system, so I can’t make direct comparisons. However, one key aspect of the Danish system is its transparency. Everything is above board, with patients fully informed about their treatments, and the departments paying the bills having full visibility into the processes.
Additionally, under-the-table payments are nearly impossible in Denmark. Most monetary transactions are electronic, and if someone tries to deposit more than $1,000 in cash at a bank, the bank is legally required to ask about the source of the money. This is part of strict laws designed to combat "dark money" and ensure financial accountability.

I'll tell you a key aspect of the Danish system: the people who run it.

 

[St. Widge]

don't mean to sound like a cultural chauvinist, but that just reads like a dystopian hellscape
y'all probably still expect to have infrastructure repaired if it breaks

Nah, it's a utopia created by gunning down CEOs in the street.

 

[St. Widge]

I understand. I was trying to be clear in my first reply to you in this thread where I was coming from.

I think what you’re missing, or it’s not coming through in what you’re saying, is a lot of people have had bad experiences on a personal level when it comes to health insurance and health care, where profits and/or politics are the culprit, and they just aren’t in the headspace anymore to feel sympathy for a figurehead of a system that they long ago had to accept has no sympathy for them.

I am not missing that. But not having sympathy is vastly different from the out right advocating for and justifying murder that is going on in this thread. I am frankly shocked that it is being allowed to go on on this site and I'm a struck by how much it sounds like rhetoric from a certain political group that many of those taking those positions have extreme amounts of destain for. I expect that from that political group. I did not expect it here. Maybe they have more in common than either of them would be comfortable with?

 

[St. Widge]

I work in the healthcare system. I know they are not complicit.

But, others might think you are complicit and decide you are fair game.

 

[DavidM]

I am not missing that. But not having sympathy is vastly different from the out right advocating for and justifying murder that is going on in this thread. I am frankly shocked that it is being allowed to go on on this site and I'm a struck by how much it sounds like rhetoric from a certain political group that many of those taking those positions have extreme amounts of destain for. I expect that from that political group. I did not expect it here. Maybe they have more in common than either of them would be comfortable with?

I haven’t read a lot of the posts in this thread (and probably won’t) but outside of direct threats made against somebody specific, I’m not sure what content is violating which rule.

I’m speaking as a member since I no longer active as moderator.

 

[St. Widge]

I haven’t read a lot of the posts in this thread (and probably won’t) but outside of direct threats made against somebody specific, I’m not sure what content is violating which rule.

I’m speaking as a member since I no longer active as moderator.

Beyond what I interpret as advocating violence I've seen people called nitwits and other things. Not my site and I have never been nor will I ever have a hand in moderating it, but it just seems like the kinds of things that have often times not been allowed here and either resulted in threads being closed or moved elsewhere. But I could be wrong.

 

[CapitalCitySaint]

But, others might think you are complicit and decide you are fair game.

Then I guess I’d meet my fate. Innocent people get gunned down every day for stupid reasons in this country. I don’t have control over others. It’s yet another thing that we have to just shrug our shoulders and accept that might be our fate because those in power refuse to do anything about it.

Why is it so hard to understand that until they care, we do not care when bad things (deserved or not) happen to them? They happen to regular folk all the time and nothing changes BECAUSE THEY DO NOT WANT IT TO.

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

Nah, it's a utopia created by gunning down CEOs in the street.

If you know another way to make an in letter I’m sure we’d love to hear