UnitedHealth CEO shot (5 Viewers)

[guidomerkinsrules]

And courts ruled it was not murder

Courts sided with George Zimmerman too - and any of countless other examples that could be pulled up - maybe he didn’t ‘legally’ murder him
But he killed him

 

[Madmarsha]

Courts sided with George Zimmerman too - and any of countless other examples that could be pulled up - maybe he didn’t ‘legally’ murder him
But he killed him

Because you were there and/or heard every minute of all the testimony?

 

[jboss]

 

[Mr. Sparkle]

Courts sided with George Zimmerman too - and any of countless other examples that could be pulled up - maybe he didn’t ‘legally’ murder him
But he killed him

Yes, all those pesky "legal" concepts like "self-defense" vs "premeditation." What a crock!


Anyway, bad luck for the DA in the Penny case that they had a jury of mostly female New Yorkers who have probably ridden the F train.

 

[Tapxe]

Well that's the kicker he didn't murder anyone. But a crazy man of color was restrained by a white guy until police came and took him into custody. The guy died later.

Im more outraged at the fact we let people with mental health issues live on the streets without help. But hay in today's climate everything is about race. That way problems can't be solved. And the wheels go round and round.

It's been pointed out to me that the bulk of the folks cheering have lived much different lives than those who don't.

• They watched FoxNews et al who are currently very disturbed by this CEO incident celebrate Kyle Rittenhouse for being more or less a vigilante.
• They grew up in schools with active shooter training so a CEO dropped on the streets, isn't really a big deal to them.
• They've grown up with money classified as political speech and therefore are willing to spend for the defense of the shooter in such terms.

In short, the chickens are roosting.

 

[kcirdor]

What if.. you condone both Kyle Rittenhouse and Luigi Mario?

 

[SWJJ]

I don't like the Daniel Penny comparison. Jordan Neely was assaulting other people and Penny used traditionally non-lethal restraint methods, and let go of the guy the moment the train stopped at the next station so people were no longer "trapped" with Neely.

I think intent matters in some of these situations, and I do not think Penny had the same intent that either Luigi or Rittenhouse had.

 

[Arathrael]

I don't like the Daniel Penny comparison. Jordan Neely was assaulting other people and Penny used traditionally non-lethal restraint methods, and let go of the guy the moment the train stopped at the next station so people were no longer "trapped" with Neely.

I think intent matters in some of these situations, and I do not think Penny had the same intent that either Luigi or Rittenhouse had.

Yeeeees, but I don't think the point at which you're supposed to stop choking someone is "when the train stops at the next station." It's "well before they might die from it." So, like, if the person's gone limp and people are saying, "You're gonna kill him now!", those are pretty clear indications that you should have stopped.

And choking someone for an extended period of time is a traditionally lethal method. Got to be one of the oldest ones too, right after "hitting them in the head with a rock."

I appreciate that's a bit glib, but it's a serious point; Joseph Caballer, the Marine Corps instructor who trained Penny in chokehold techniques, testified that Penny was incorrectly using the technique, that Marines are trained to release it once the subject is unconscious, and that the choke becomes deadly if "you would hold it too long."

So I think it's fair to say he didn't aim to kill in the same way that Luigi or Rittenhouse did, but I don't think minimising the effects of choking someone for that long are necessary to make that argument.

I also don't think someone should be celebrated for doing that.

 

[Madmarsha]

I don't like the Daniel Penny comparison. Jordan Neely was assaulting other people and Penny used traditionally non-lethal restraint methods, and let go of the guy the moment the train stopped at the next station so people were no longer "trapped" with Neely.

Not to mention, he was not the only one engaging in the physical restraint but was the only one charged. Also not to mention that the people who were in the train that day testified they felt physically threatened by Neely.

 

[Madmarsha]

Loogie has now been charged with 1st degree murder as an act of terrorism in addition to the two 2nd degree murder charges and two counts of 2nd degree criminal possession of a weapon, four counts of 3rd degree criminal possession of a weapon, one count of 4th degree criminal possession of a weapon and one count of 2nd degree criminal possession of a forged instrument

 

[Sailorsaint]

Loogie has now been charged with 1st degree murder as an act of terrorism in addition to the two 2nd degree murder charges and two counts of 2nd degree criminal possession of a weapon, four counts of 3rd degree criminal possession of a weapon, one count of 4th degree criminal possession of a weapon and one count of 2nd degree criminal possession of a forged instrument

How do you have two charges for 2nd degree murder when there was only one murder?

 

[Madmarsha]

How do you have two charges for 2nd degree murder when there was only one murder?

I am perplexed about the multiple charges as well.

 

[Mr. Sparkle]

How do you have two charges for 2nd degree murder when there was only one murder?

The New York state Supreme Court indictment also charges Mangione with two counts of second-degree murder, one of which is charged as a killing in the act of terrorism; two counts of second-degree criminal possession of a weapon; four counts of third-degree criminal possession of a weapon; one count of fourth-degree criminal possession of a weapon; and one count of second-degree criminal possession of a forged instrument, according to a statement from Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg.

Luigi Mangione indicted on first-degree murder charge in UnitedHealthcare CEO's killing

Mangione is accused of fatally shooting UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson outside a Manhattan hotel on Dec. 4.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[Madmarsha]

Not to mention, he was not the only one engaging in the physical restraint but was the only one charged. Also not to mention that the people who were in the train that day testified they felt physically threatened by Neely.

I'm sure you heard ALL the testimony and were in the subway car at the time, too. What do you know about it in the UK, @Arathrael?

 

[Madmarsha]

I also don't think someone should be celebrated for doing that.

I absolutely think he should be celebrated for preventing --- remember, he wasn't the only one restraining him --- Neely from attacking the other riders that day. SEE IT, SAY IT, SORTED.

Or are we supposed to ignore things we see? Can't be both. But Daniel Penny didn't get on the subway that day looking for someone to kill, I'm glad he and the other gentlemen didn't ignore the threat that was happening.