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[First Time Poster]

LOL yall might want to start another thread on race and privilege and Daniel Penny.

This is the Crazy 1%er Health Care Murderer thread

It's healthcare. Race and privilege is relevant. Daniel Penny is a distraction but I had time today.

 

[Dago]

I understand. You think Marsha was arrogant, obtuse and intellectually lazy when she dismissed my opinion because her claim that I didn't read the testimony was not based on principle, facts, logic or objectivity. I really see your point. Hope that helps.

Let me see if I can explain this.

I never said Marsha was correct in her opinion on the case. However, she was contesting your opinion by actually talking about the facts of the subject. You stopped engaging about the case and instead fell back on a gross assumption about her personally to attack her opinion and that is intellectually lazy.

If you can't tell the difference, then you are just validating my opinion on it

 

[First Time Poster]

Let me see if I can explain this.

I never said Marsha was correct in her opinion on the case. However, she was contesting your opinion by actually talking about the facts of the subject. You stopped engaging about the case and instead fell back on a gross assumption about her personally to attack her opinion and that is intellectually lazy.

If you can't tell the difference, then you are just validating my opinion on it

Now you're just lying. I think you are mixing up who said what to whom.

I quoted this

Also not to mention that the people who were in the train that day testified they felt physically threatened by Neely.

And said

People feel physically threatened when I get on an elevator. While I'm dressed to the nines. God forbid I ever have a mental crisis.

Response

So, you didn't listen to any reports about the actual testimony either. Got it.

Response

No I did, I just don't walk through life with the same privilege and perspective you hold.

Response

So you know everything about me and my background and all of my experiences and can look into my heart and soul. Got that, too.

Response

No, I made an assumption using my intuition and reading your posts much like you made an assumption about me not being informed about the case. Whats the difference? Funny how that works.

And, let's be clear. Me saying you enjoy a privilege and perspective different from mine isn't a large leap to make. I don't need to spell out our differences. We both post enough here to know what they are. For instance, I'm a man. You aren't. I enjoy male privilege in this society. You don't. We need don't need each other's life story to know that.

Responding to my anecdote by saying

So, you didn't listen to any reports about the actual testimony either. Got it.

is in no way shape or form "contesting your opinion by actually talking about the facts of the subject." What facts? Telling me I didn't read? That's a fact now? Microaggression much? After that last response was when you jumped in the fray calling me arrogant and all that bullshirt. Yall are just doubling down on being goofy at this point. I would have more respect for you if you had the same energy for both of us but you didn't.

No amount of white mansplaining to me is going to change what happened. When actually challenged on facts, I responded to SWJJ. When I got told I didn't read, I called that person privileged. Talk about validating opinions. Touch grass fam.

 

[CoolBrees]

Well privilege is a real thing. But is doesn't always manifest itself in obvious ways, or even consciously for that matter.

If you have never walked into a business meeting, thinking about your race or gender before you walk in; hoping another person like you is in there and a seat next to them, That's privilege

If you haven't had to worry if having a baby is going to negatively affect your career, that's privilege.

These are just two simple examples of unrecognized privilege that people have. And they aren't sinister either. These have been set by generations of behaviors and situations.

I would never knowingly make someone feel uncomfortable in the workplace, or worried about their job due to personal situations. Never.

But these were comments I received from people within my org when I asked them to anonymously respond to the very question of "what is privilege?".

It isn't just getting to sit at the table that matters. Being "asked" to the table and feeling included is what matters.

And before anyone thinks this is just woke nonsense, the reason that companies try to show they care about this stuff is it drives productivity and ultimately profits. A lot.

According to a Harvard Business Study, it is the #1 motivator of all. Not money, not location, not titles. Inclusion and a feeling of mattering to those you work with is what people care about.

So I didn't mean to derail a thread but the way we work through this is first by recognizing it happens, but it isn't something to feel bad about. Just to be aware of that it does exist and try to recognize where your own privilege lies. Because we all have it, just to varying degrees.

 

[B4YOU]

LOL yall might want to start another thread on race and privilege and Daniel Penny.

This is the Crazy 1%er Health Care Murderer thread

It's healthcare. Race and privilege is relevant. Daniel Penny is a distraction but I had time today.

So tired of race, privilege, gender, etc. distractions when class is the biggest factor. People across the spectrum don't care this CEO got killed because for once a rich person who kills poor people to enrich himself got comeuppance. It's took extra-judicial/legal action because those systems protect the upper class.

 

[Boy_of_wonder75]

I am not for vigilante justice. It's wrong. But if Musk, Thiel, Bezos, and a host of other billionaires found themselves on the receiving end of some, I wouldn't be sad. I mean, it'd still be wrong, I just wouldn't be sad about it.

 

[DaveXA]

I am not fir vigilante justice. It's wrong. But if Musk, Thiel, Bezos, and a host of other billionaires found themselves on the receiving end of some, I wouldn't be sad. I mean, it'd still be wrong, I just wouldn't be sad about it.

I'd feel the same as I do about Russian soldiers dying in combat. Probably feel bad/sad for their families, but for the soldiers themselves? They went out of their way to harm someone else. No sympathy there.

 

[jboss]

I'd feel the same as I do about Russian soldiers dying in combat. Probably feel bad/sad for their families, but for the soldiers themselves? They went out of their way to harm someone else. No sympathy there.

Could say that about any soldiers if we're thinking that way. Just gotta be consistent in belief.

 

[0rion]

I'd feel the same as I do about Russian soldiers dying in combat. Probably feel bad/sad for their families, but for the soldiers themselves? They went out of their way to harm someone else. No sympathy there.

Did they though or were they ordered to do it by someone else and had very little if any choice? What about our soldiers that have knowingly killed innocent people?

 

[DaveXA]

Could say that about any soldiers if we're thinking that way. Just gotta be consistent in belief.

Not really, they invaded a sovereign. Got no sympathy in that case.

 

[DaveXA]

Did they though or were they ordered to do it by someone else and had very little if any choice? What about our soldiers that have knowingly killed innocent people?

They have a choice. The choices certainly aren't great, but they have a choice.

If any of our soldiers intentionally killed innocents, no sympathy for them either. You do know what happens to soldiers who intentionally kill innocent people right? They usually end up in prison like other murderers.

 

[0rion]

They have a choice. The choices certainly aren't great, but they have a choice.

If any of our soldiers intentionally killed innocents, no sympathy for them either. You do know what happens to soldiers who intentionally kill innocent people right? They usually end up in prison like other murderers.

I forget the amount of prison time the pilots of the enola gay and bockscar served.

 

[DaveXA]

I forget the amount of prison time the pilots of the enola gay and bockscar served.

I mean, sure, they aren't all in prison. Maybe they should be, but I don't have any control over that.

And we can talk about the issues with those situations, but that's another thread for another day.

 

[0rion]

I mean, sure, they aren't all in prison. Maybe they should be, but I don't have any control over that.

And we can talk about the issues with those situations, but that's another thread for another day.

I think my original point is that we can't sit in judgement over who deserves to be dead and who doesn't. Even people I would consider to be horrible people I wouldn't feel comfortable in celebrating their death. Just not the way I live my life. I *try* to just live my life and let others live theirs. I'm definitely not always successful in doing that but I'm disappointed in myself when I'm not.

 

[DaveXA]

I think my original point is that we can't sit in judgement over who deserves to be dead and who doesn't. Even people I would consider to be horrible people I wouldn't feel comfortable in celebrating their death. Just not the way I live my life. I *try* to just live my life and let others live theirs. I'm definitely not always successful in doing that but I'm disappointed in myself when I'm not.

There's a difference between celebrating death and not not having sympathy or being sad for someone's death. I take no pleasure in any deaths, but not all deaths are worth getting out of shape over.