Was the Saints' Front Office (e.g., Loomis) Fleeced on the Sean Payton Trade? (1 Viewer)

[DaveXA]

BINGO. Some people fail to realize that every year, the sense of urgency is heightened to build a winner. GM’s jobs are on the line. Now teams will be able to look at what SP did for the Broncos and what many thought was a washed Russell Wilson, they will pay even more for the next man. SMDH

That doesn't happen if Sean is not coaching this year. The Saints leverage goes down the longer they wait.

 

[TenTwo]

I think they got what they could. The team was in a tough spot and I believe that there is a lot of misinformation that was fed to the fans on how this all came about. I have a theory that once it was discovered that Payton was conspiring with Miami and Brady to leave the Saints, relationships soured and Payton was forced to “retire”. I think the Saints tried to make the best out of a bad situation. With their hand forced, it probably put their coach search in an awkward position, which is why we ended up with DA and Pete. They possibly preferred keeping the coaches in house rather than allow Payton to poach his staff. I think there’s bad blood.

 

[SaintStephen1]

Absolutely and I wrote it every day last offseason I was afraid he’s kow tow down to his friend instead of doing his job as Saints GM.

 

[domefieldadvantage]

I was sure there was even more than the Jeff Duncan reporting. Didn't Loomis talk about it when he was interviewed or a podcast guest? I could have sworn he mentioned the interest, but Dennis Allen was their coach.

If what Jeff Duncan said was accurate, Loomis should have been fired by Mrs. Benson the minute it became known that SP wanted to come back here and Loomis said no. No matter whether he flirted with Miami or not.

 

[BikesBurgersBeer]

There are some pretty off the wall opinions being presented as fact here, ones that just didn't exist even a few weeks ago.

 

[Nonreg]

Sean was leaving one way or another.

He wanted out, which is why he was looking for another opportunity before the season was over.

We got something out of it, so I call it a win.

Losing Sean P was never what we wanted, but the man just didn't want to be here.

Dennis Allen was consistently a top performing DC while Payton was here. The idea was to promote from within, as we were not that far off.

 

[DaveXA]

If what Jeff Duncan said was accurate, Loomis should have been fired by Mrs. Benson the minute it became known that SP wanted to come back here and Loomis said no. No matter whether he flirted with Miami or not.

Where was it reported that Loomis told Payton no? It's pretty well known that Payton stated he didn't want to step on Allen's toes and had too much respect for him to take his job.

 

[Loomissed]

Sean was leaving one way or another.

He wanted out, which is why he was looking for another opportunity before the season was over.

We got something out of it, so I call it a win.

Losing Sean P was never what we wanted, but the man just didn't want to be here.

Dennis Allen was consistently a top performing DC while Payton was here. The idea was to promote from within, as we were not that far off.

This. Don't think Loomis had a choice. Sean P was not staying here without a hof QB. Hell, this is the only team in the division not to go to the superbowl in the last decade

 

[DCSaints_Fan]

I would say no. Denver was the highest bidder. Payton was a year out of coaching, and its possible they just say hard pass.

Its only been a year we don't know how the draft picks are going to ultimately pan out, and if Payton will field a consistent contender.

 

[TalleyHo1]

I said that from the day the trade was announced, you can go back and read my posts to see. I said SP was worth 2 #1s and a #2 But half of you said we got a late #1 and a #2 for nothing SMH

The problem is or was....the Saints were never going to get that for him. Had the Saints played hardball, he would have just sat out another year and another year until his contract time with the Saints was up. Then the Saints wouldn't have gotten anything and he'd be coaching.

 

[SaintsMan209]

Sean Payton could care less whose feelings he hurt. He doesn't care if it is Mickey Loomis, or Dennis Allen, or Gayle Benson. Sean has demonstrated that he is bigger than the Saints. Unless this franchise turns things around quickly then they will always be in Sean's shadow and everyone knows it. Don't you think every person in the NFL (players, coaches) realizes that the Saints let Sean get away. If one of the greatest coaches of all time doesn't want to be in New Orleans then why would anyone else?

I don't know why Sean left but if I was Gayle, I would have made him an offer he couldn't refuse. He truly built the Saints. I realize he got a lot of help from Mickey and from Drew.

 

[blackadder]

They thought

they thought they were the reason why we had won for all of those years. Sean was forced out. So would it be surprising that they undervalued him in a trade ? No that would not be surprising

Was he forced out? How do we know that? Seemed just as likely he could see the cupboard was bare and fortunes about to change and it was time to go. He was under contract..

Payton is a great OC/QB coach. As a head coach he has the right demeanor to command the room and provide the “leadership” element that motivates the organization. Exactly the thing Dennis Allen does not have.

As a HC and defacto football GM though, Payton was far from perfect. With responsibility across all 3 phases he made a lot of poor decisions over the years that undermined overall team success, apart from his work with the offense.

Bad personnel decisions. Bad management of staff and hires, mainly on the defensive side, with relationships with DCs. Defenses were unbelievably awful until Allen stabilized things in 2017 and that was a key reason this team didn’t win more with Brees in his prime.

Payton will be remembered for his offensive achievements with Brees but it should be remembered that at the same time he fielded these potent offenses he managed to have a run of defenses that were pretty close to the absolute worst ever seen on an NFL field.

No mean achievement.

So, Payton’s arrogance did undermine him and offset his talent with the offense. You have to back up and grade him on overall team outcomes, and with that lens he did a lot less than he should have with Brees.

That said, if he mellows and you pair him with a good DC to run that part of the game, and you keep him on track with personnel you can be sure he’s going to get the most out of your offense.

 

[blackadder]

A very trusted source posted on here not too long ago that Payton had a lot of say and wanted a lot of say on things and I guess that started to become a no-no for some folks in the Saints organization.

And I'm not saying he was forced out, but just saying that they became more willing to let him go and made it easier for Payton to leave.

I went down a whole rabbit hole on this person's post history here and it was eye opening. This person very quietly drops inside info from time to time.

But at the end of the day, he has proven to be mvp and we should have done everything possible to keep Payton on board.

But was that forced out?

Sounds also like Payton was pushing for even more control and got pushback and that contributed to his decision to get out. Different than being pushed out pro-actively.

And, really, a lot of Payton’s decisions were not great across the whole team, outside of his offensive expertise. DC hires, keeping bad staff on defense too long. Signings like Jairus Byrd. Ordering Rob Ryan to change scheme and copy Seattle.

All disastrous things and if I am looking at it I too wound probably say, “just focus on coaching, Sean”. We will collaborate on the rest…

 

[DaveXA]

They thought

they thought they were the reason why we had won for all of those years. Sean was forced out. So would it be surprising that they undervalued him in a trade ? No that would not be surprising

All due respect, until a reliable source verifies this, people aren't going to accept your allegation. I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm simply saying people aren't going to take your word for it because they don't know you from Adam. As long as you understand why people are skeptical, carry on.

 

[SaintswonSBXLIV]

Letting Payton out the door was more egregious. You can’t tell me that he doesn’t stay for the right amount of money.

He was not going to stay here, period, end of story.